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Post  RedMagma on Sun Jan 06, 2008 9:31 am

Cashman Holds Court At Theo's Party


http://www.waswatching.com/archives/2008/01/cashman_holds_c.html


From the Yankees site -


http://newyork.yankees.mlb.com/news/article.jsp?ymd=20080105&content_id=2340090&vkey=news_nyy&fext=.jsp&c_id=nyy

"Mostly, especially in our big markets, you get challenged on the short-term stuff so much you can make a mistake if you get caught up in the winds of the pressure of making a [trade]," Cashman told the audience.

"Like right now, the Red Sox and Yankees, at least, are in the middle of this Johan Santana stuff. What's the right thing for the now? What's the right thing for the future? These are the wrestling matches that go on in the organizations and you have very spirited conversations about what's right and what's wrong."

Cashman said he still believes in a strong and productive farm system.

"At the end of the day, if you have an opportunity to build something and be a leader in that situation, you stick to it. It's your way and you find a way to stick to it, despite the media pressures, the ownership pressures, the fans' pressures and realize, 'You know what? I believe in what I'm doing and I'll stick to it as long as you give me the opportunity and then get judged on the results at the end of the day.'"

Following the panel discussion, Cashman fielded questions on everything from dealing with the Steinbrenner brothers to Roger Clemens and the Mitchell Report.

"Everybody has their own style," Cashman said of the Steinbrenners. "And Hank has obviously taken charge on behalf of his father, along with his brother, Hal. They have different styles. Hal is more quiet and Hank is very available, but my job is to continue to line up the structure of the organization that can find the amateur talent."

On the eve of Clemens' interview on "60 Minutes," Cashman offered his perspective on what to expect from baseball going forward from the Mitchell Report.

"All of it's difficult," he said. "There's no doubt about that. It is what it is. The Mitchell Report came out and there was some shocking information that was in there, and now we're seeing it play out after the fact and what you have to do, unfortunately, is sit back and watch it unfold."

I'm going to pick out the quotes here that interest me the most:

These are the wrestling matches that go on in the organizations and you have very spirited conversations about what's right and what's wrong...

...Hank has obviously taken charge on behalf of his father, along with his brother...

...my job is to continue to line up the structure of the organization that can find the amateur talent...

Since when does the job description summary for a G.M. of a big league team read: "line up the structure of the organization that can find the amateur talent"?

Sure, that's part of a G.M.'s job - but, it's something that rolls up into the major overall charge of putting together the major league roster.

The mentions of "wrestling matches that go on in the organizations" and "Hank has obviously taken charge" along with this "my job" declaration suggest that Cashman is out of the loop in terms of building the Yankees - and that Hank is now pulling the strings. After all, it was Hank who signed A-Rod. It was Hank that gave out the contracts to Posada and Rivera. And, it's Hank that's going after Santana.

Further, here's some more from Cashman, via The Canadian Press:

With one year left on his contract and senior vice president Hank Steinbrenner leaning toward pursuing a trade for Minnesota ace Johan Santana, Cashman said Saturday he's not thinking about what he'll do when his deal runs out.

"Because of all the work that gets involved with doing the job, it kind of prevents me from really looking ahead past this year," he said. "I'm just doing everything I possibly can to assist the transition with the new manager, the new owners, with the involvement now with the Steinbrenner sons. And then the rest will take care of itself at another time."

The Yankees won four World Series from 1996-2000, then lost in 2001 to Arizona. After that, their emphasis shifted to obtaining proven veterans, Cashman said. Some, like pitcher Kevin Brown, were past their prime.

"We got away from some of the core principles of our business operation, which is we just started going all veteran-oriented," Cashman said. "We had a chance to really go into an abyss" early in the 2005 season.

Cashman almost left the Yankees when his contract expired after that year. But when he was given full control over baseball operations, allowing him to emphasize his preference for developing young players, he signed a three-year contract.

That gave him one more year than manager Joe Torre. After last season, when Torre left for the Los Angeles Dodgers and was replaced by Joe Girardi, and owner George Steinbrenner's sons, Hank and Hal, became more involved, Cashman is headed into a season of transition.

"Things have changed here in the third year," Cashman said. "I'm learning as I go along, too. But it is different. But one thing is that I've been with this family, the Steinbrenner family, for well over 20 years. So I'm focused fully on doing everything I possibly can to assist them in their emergence now as decision makers."

Note the following:

...Things have changed here in the third year...

...I'm focused fully on doing everything I possibly can to assist [Hank and Hal] in their emergence now as decision makers...

When I read those last two quotes from Cashman, about things changing and him assisting the new decision makers, all I can think of is all those times, in business, through the years, where I've seen situations of people who have led a department, or a division, or even a company, and it was clear that a new person was taking over. Being professionals, and wanting to ensure that they keep their big paycheck going until the very last day, and not ruin their resume and/or standing in an industry, they would say "all the right things" and do whatever was asked of them "during the transition phase," etc.

If there was any doubt that Brian Cashman was on his way out in terms of having "full control over baseball operations" for the Yankees, I think Brian, himself, has cleared this up now (with these comments).

Posted by Steve Lombardi at January 5, 2008 11:48 PM
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You'll miss Cashman when he's gone, Steve, as will Hank, Hal, and most Yankees fans, but perhaps not as much as we're going to miss Phil Hughes, unless Hank suddenly has an epiphany and comes to understand that the key to being a successful baseball owner is to let the baseball people make the baseball decisions.

Posted by: Rich [TypeKey Profile Page] at January 6, 2008 03:08 AM

You'll miss Cashman when he's gone, Steve, as will Hank, Hal, and most Yankees fans
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I don't know about that; Cashman's another name in the long line of Yankee GM's. He moves on, the Yanks will get another one.

I'd like the Yanks to stay the course, but it's not my call. We'll see what the future holds.

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Note: Twins Adjust their Demands

Post  RedMagma on Sun Jan 06, 2008 9:31 am

Note: Twins Adjust their Demands


http://www.metsblog.com/2008/01/06/note-twins-adjust-their-demands/#comments

In the Star-Tribune, citing ‘several people with knowledge of the trade talks,’ La Velle E. Neal III reports that the Twins have recently ‘adjusted their demands’ for Johan Santana.

According to Neal, Jose Reyes no longer needs to be part of any deal for Santana, just as the Twins are willing to accept other players instead of Ian Kennedy when negotiating with the Yankees.

However, Neal concludes by writing…

“It’s still hard to view the Mets as a serious player in this game, because although they have good young players, they lack quality talent up front of the deal.”

Meanwhile, according to multiple reports, while in Boston to support the annual Hot Stove, Cool Music charity event put on by Red Sox and Peter Gammons, Yankees GM Brian Cashman essentially said he has less control under Hank and Hal Steinbrenner than he did under their father, George.

…this isn’t really news, in that reports have indicated how cashman wants to build from within, i.e., not trade prospects for Johan Santana, while hank wants to make the big splash, i.e., trade for santana…

…this report is unique because cashman is actually saying it all out loud, and he’s usually very, very quiet…

Cashman, as quoted by multiple reports…

“Mostly, especially in our big markets, you get challenged on the short-term stuff so much you can make a mistake if you get caught up in the winds of the pressure of making a trade…Like right now, the Red Sox and Yankees, at least, are in the middle of this Johan Santana stuff. What’s the right thing for the now? What’s the right thing for the future? These are the wrestling matches that go on in the organizations and you have very spirited conversations about what’s right and what’s wrong.”

…as a Mets fan, who would like to see santana in queens, this worries me, because cashman’s control clearly helps the Mets cause, while hank’s does not…

For more on a Yankees perspective, check out Steve Lombardi at Was Watching.

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Post  RedMagma on Sun Jan 06, 2008 9:32 am

Getting Santana “at all costs” and thereby throwing some meat to these ravenous Mets fans, is a terribly short-sighted, desperate move. What if we get Santana (by giving up the whole farm, all our young emerging depth that we will need for a long season) sign him to a record-breaking 7 year contract, and still don’t win the World Series in ‘08? Or even get there?

Then what?
Throw more money at aging, risky veteran players next off season to overcompensate again? Cuz we wont have anyone to promote or chips to trade?
why is Cashman wrong for wanting the Yankees to develop properly for the long haul?

Gomez & 3 pitchers is as far as the Mets should go for Santana.
I really hope they don’t throw in the untouchable F-Mart.
I cringe at the thought of being left with none of our 3 highly touted OF prospects to add to our enviable core of Reyes & Wright.
It will be hard enough seeing Millz blossom in DC, and possibly Gomez in Minni, but to see F-Mart tear up the league (hopefully) for the next decade or so on another team would be real tough.
It’s hard enough seeing Kazmir succeed these last few years after such a short-sighted, knee-jerk, instant gratification quick fix trade was made to “win-now at all costs”.
Now were trying to trade more than just Kazmir to essentially replace Kazmir.

Everybody should lower there do or die expectations a notch, and enjoy the Mets actually being a quality fun to watch team again after all those embarrassing seasons that preceded this mini-renaissance. I would like to see more player development with an eye on the long-term and a run like the Braves had in the 90s.




I’ll buy that logic. While Omar of course should strive to do what he has to to give the Mets a chance to win it all in 2008, it should not be at the expense of doing so (reasonably) for years to come after that.

And guess what? The team, as constructed now, is a contender to make it to the WS. Just like last year.

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Post  RedMagma on Sun Jan 06, 2008 9:33 am

YAY!! the impotent omar and wilpons will ONCE AGAIN lose out to neanderthal hank. YAY! the yanks will keep the bragging rights and back pages. YAY! 3rd place for the SMALL MARKET mets in 2009!! YAY!!!!!!!!



Who cares about the bragging rights and back pages?
Too many Mets fans and their inferiority complexes are overly concerned with the Yankees and one-ups-manship. Who freakin’ cares?

I prefer the drama of the actual game than about the drama of “the sky is falling” journalists and fans.

Its too bad that intelligence and respect is sorely lacking from many immature sports fans who ruin the simple beauty and joy of watching a kids game.

If I ever made a big business decision based on emotion of what my neighbor was doing rather than on sound fundamentals, I would surely end up broke.
I trust Omar to guide the Mets through some tough decisions with no easy answer.




more spin.

I think many are underestimating the importance of shipping arguably the best pitcher in the game right now out of the AL. Unless the yanks or sox blow Minni away, any comparable deal has to go to the mets. Isnt not having to potentailly match up against the best pitcher in baseball in the Alds/Alcs worth at least one prospect from the mets?
So these teams know this and its a matter of who blinks first: will the mets literraly give away the entire farm system or will hank make it a 6-1 trade, pay another 50 luxury tax all because he cant stand being upstaged by the mets.
If the mets can wait it out and hank doesnt do something stupid, johan could be wearing orange & blue. The twins cant wait forever




Well, if they do trade him, how likely is it that they even make the post season in the next few years (as they rebuild with the young talent they get back)? A lot can change in 2-3 years. Who knows how dominant Johan will be, or any of the current top teams.

If the Twins aren’t expecting to be in the playoffs anyway this decade, might as well get the best package back.

Better players = a better chance of making the playoffs. And you can worry about who you face when you get there.


Well, at least he wouldn’t have to face the Sox if they traded for him! Although watching the Yanks light him up in Fenway would be sad on many levels.

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Re: Cashman Holds Court At Theo's Party

Post  RedMagma on Sun Jan 06, 2008 9:34 am

Twins softening demands for Santana?
Yanks' Igawa, Marquez now in trade talks
By La Velle E. Neal III


http://www.recordonline.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20080105/SPORTS/801050342/-1/SPORTS


January 05, 2008

Star Tribune (Minneapolis)

MINNEAPOLIS — There are roughly six weeks before Twins pitchers and catchers report for spring training and, the way things are going, a media horde could be on hand to bombard ace lefthander Johan Santana, teammates and the club about why he's still with the Twins.

But don't expect that to happen.

New general manager Bill Smith continues to be patient as he tries to get the best deal possible from the Red Sox, Yankees or Mets. Smith remains mostly mum on Santana's status, but discussions with several people with knowledge of the trade talks suggest that the Twins recently have adjusted their demands.

For instance, indications earlier in the off-season were that the Twins wanted the Yankees to include righthanded pitching prospect Ian Kennedy in a package led by prized young righthander Phil Hughes and center fielder Melky Cabrera. Now it's believed that the Twins are willing to accept other players instead of Kennedy.

Recent reports have righthander Jeff Marquez as part of the deal.

Lefthander Kei Igawa, who floundered to a 2-3 record and 6.25 ERA in his first year after arriving from Japan, also has been mentioned in talks with the Yankees, perhaps as a fourth player in the package. His salary — $4 million annually over the next four seasons — shouldn't be a problem for a club whose payroll would drop under $50 million if Santana is traded.

Another development has been the emergence in trade talks of the Mets, who were believed to have no shot at landing Santana unless All-Star shortstop Jose Reyes was included in the deal.

The Twins now have let it be known that the Mets have other players to package for Santana. Several Mets prospects, including outfielders Carlos Gomez and Fernando Martinez and pitchers Mike Pelfrey, Philip Humber and Kevin Mulvey, have been mentioned as part of deals throughout the off-season. Gomez could step right in and play center field. Martinez, perhaps the Mets' top prospect, still needs a couple of years to develop. It's still hard to view the Mets as a serious player in this game, because although they have good young players, they lack quality talent up front of the deal.

Mets GM Omar Minaya, by the way, leaves today for an eight-day goodwill tour of Israel and might have to negotiate through e-mail, if at all.

Boston still has two packages on the table. One consists of lefthander Jon Lester, outfielder Coco Crisp, infielder Jed Lowrie and righthander Justin Masterson. The other includes outfielder Jacoby Ellsbury — who starred in the World Series — Lowrie, Masterson and maybe a fourth player. The Red Sox are willing to tweak the back end of a deal, but there's no way Lester and Ellsbury will be packaged together.

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