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Post  RedMagma on Mon Jan 07, 2008 6:55 pm

Jim BaGuess what? Clemens lied on "60 Minutes"
http://weblogs.newsday.com/sports/columnists/jimbaumbach/blog/2008/01/clemens_lied_on_60_minutes.html

Debate all you want whether Roger Clemens is lying about never using steroids. But I have it on good authority that he lied about something else on "60 Minutes."

And that's when he found out about the Mitchell Report.

According to a person familiar with the situation, when Brian McNamee found out several days before the release of the Mitchell Report that his testimony was going to be included, he reached out to Clemens. I do not know if he actually spoke with Clemens. But two days later two private investigators, representing Clemens, were at McNamee's door to find out what he told Mitchell. McNamee spoke to them.

Obviously, Clemens knew what was going on. Yet when Mike Wallace asked if he knew anything about the Mitchell Report prior to its release, he said he did not.

After reading the pdf files of the defamation lawsuit Clemens filed against McNamee last night, I am certain the quotes from McNamee were acquired by Clemens' team of investigators when they met with McNamee just before the Mitchell Report's release.





Clemens hasn't been true to his word for years. His retirement, then unretirement, then retirement...etc. is truly indicative of this man's lack of commitment to his word. How can we truly believe that he is telling us the straight story now?

There were a couple of major missed opportunities in last night's 60 Minutes episodes, both having to do with "proof". Mike Wallace should have made Clemens commit to a confirmed date for a lie detector test. How squirmy did Roger get when pressed about taking a test. His "re-framed" the discussion to suggest that if he failed the test it's because the tests are not conclusive, but if he passed the test he wouldn't be vindicated because the press and public jury have already made up their minds regarding his guilt. So, in essence, why bother taking it if it's a lose-lose proposition? BALONEY!!!!

The second was with Pervez Musharraf. When asked about his take on Bhutto's supporters claiming that he was involved, he said that no one should place blame without evidence. Just two minutes earlier in the interview, and repeatedly in the press, he has blamed the al-Qaeda person from the tribal region within Pakistan. Using Musharraf's own logic, since he is accusing him, where is Musharraf's proof?

Posted by Guy Courbois | January 7, 2008 9:55 AM

Posted on January 7, 2008 09:55
Paul Q:

"The lady protests too much, methinks."

Hamlet III ii

Ah, was that Clemens’ mind as canny as his pitches! Everything about his 'dramatic' (in the Clinical Psych sense) performance on '60 Minutes', from his belligerent demeanor to his outrageous statements ("I'd have ears growing out of my head!") point to the truth of the allegations contained in the Mitchell Report.

Many of Clemens' colleagues succeed in re-inventing themselves in their 4th decades as their power starts to fail, relying instead on baseball smarts as opposed to athleticism (Craig Schilling springs to mind immediately, though there are many others.) However would be consistent with both Clemens' massive ego and obvious lack of anything resembling personal insight (as demonstrated on '60 Minutes') that he should resort instead to a pharmaceutical Fountain of Youth.

I had completely forgotten about the Piazza incident, which would have occurred during the alleged steroid period. 'Roid Rage' accounts for that behavior far more accurately than the amphetamines which were suspected at the time.

While supernumerary ears have never been associated with the exogenous administration of supra-physiologic performance enhancing hormones, there are certain anatomic irregularities that might suggest their abuse. For example, Growth Hormone can lead to a thickening of the jaw and finger bones -- it might be interesting to compare pictures of the Rocket's face over the decades. And as for anabolic steroids? Atypical body hair, male pattern baldness, acne, and, Rocket, would ya mind stepping behind the curtain and dropping your drawers?

Posted by Paul Q | January 7, 2008 1:01 PM

Posted on January 7, 2008 13:01
Jim Baumbach:

Is this Paul Quantrill?

Posted by Jim Baumbach | January 7, 2008 1:15 PM

Posted on January 7, 2008 13:15
TT:

Brian McNamee is liar.

Posted by TT | January 7, 2008 7:41 PM

Posted on January 7, 2008 19:41
Anonymous:

Talk about Roid Rage when Pedro threw Old Man Don Zimmer on the ground and hit so many Yankees batters. I believe Pedro's use Ped and Hgh. Everyone is guilty. Thanks to Bud Selig and Players Union. Welcome to Steriod Era Pedro.











Talk about Roid Rage when Pedro threw Old Man Don Zimmer on the ground and hit so many Yankees batters. I believe Pedro's use Ped and Hgh. Everyone is guilty. Thanks to Bud Selig and Players Union. Welcome to Steriod Era Pedro.

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Re: Guess what? Clemens lied on "60 Minutes"

Post  RedMagma on Mon Jan 07, 2008 6:59 pm

Thanks to Peter Fat Teletubby for Journal News the Link


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UPDATE, 7:56 p.m.: Over on Sports Illustrated.com, Jon Heyman has an exclusive interview with Brian McNamee.

The story has this passage: “His eyes maneuver between his 23-inch television and a computer monitor that is providing minute-by-minute reviews of Clemens’ interview. The trainer reads aloud from e-mails that are supportive of him.”

Is there any chance McNamee was reading the live blog we had here last night? Interesting if he was.

Well, Brian, if you are reading the blog and want to explain your side to a big audience, we’re here for you. I’ll be in touch.

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Post  RedMagma on Mon Jan 07, 2008 7:03 pm

Clemens apparently was lying to Mike Wallace:

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The New York Daily News also reported on Monday that days before the scheduled release of the Mitchell Report Clemens' investigators asked McNamee whether he would be willing to recant.

McNamee reportedly called Clemens and Pettitte to warn them that he had spoken to the government. During an interview on "60 Minutes" which aired on Sunday night, Clemens denied knowing that he would be named by Mitchell.

http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/news/story?id=3185494

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He told Wallace that he was blind-sided and had no idea. Why the lies Rocket?

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Post  RedMagma on Mon Jan 07, 2008 7:05 pm

Clemens plays tape of conversation with distraught McNamee

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Roger Clemens repeatedly denied using steroids during a telephone conversation with Brian McNamee, but the former trainer would not confirm or deny his claims.

On Monday in Houston, Clemens and his lawyer played a tape of a 17-minute conversation between the pitcher and trainer last week as Clemens continues his defense of allegations in the Mitchell report that he used performance-enchancing drugs.

McNamee told the Mitchell Commission that he injected the seven-time Cy Young award winner with steroids and human growth hormone 16-21 times in 1998, 2000 and 2001. Clemens asserts that the trainer only injected him with the painkiller lidocaine and the vitamin B-12.

"For the life of me I'm trying to figure out why you told guys I did steroids," Clemens said to McNamee on the tape.

"I understand that," McNamee responded.

Over and over, Clemens makes statements like, "I just want the truth out there and like I said, I can't believe what is being said," and, "Just the stuff I'm reading and hearing, so much of it is untrue and it's just tearing everyone apart."

But McNamee never says that he lied to the Mitchell Commission regarding Clemens' alleged steroid use. He does repeatedly ask what he can do for Clemens -- 21 times to be exact.

"I'm telling the truth and I want it out there," Clemens said, and McNamee responded, "Tell me what you want me to do. I'll go to jail. I'll do whatever you want."

At no point in the conversation does McNamee say that he would be willing to say that Clemens did not take steroids, and Clemens does not ask him to.

Asked why Clemens never directly answered the "what do you want me to do" question, his attorney, Rusty Hardin, said:

"The last thing Roger wanted, just as we did, was any suggestion that we were trying to interfere or coerce a federal witness. So, yeah, all he kept saying [was] nothing. Except you hear him throughout saying, 'Tell the truth.'"

It is not clear if McNamee knew the conversation was being recorded. Under state law in New York and Texas, only one party has to give consent for a phone conversation to be taped.

McNamee is obviously distraught in the profanity-laced conversation. Saying his son is sick and that he has no money, McNamee said, "I want it to go away. I'm with you in your corner ... but I also don't want to go to jail. It has nothing to do with you."

Richard Emery, one of McNamee's lawyers, said Brian McNamee Jr., 10, has celiac disease, which damages the small intestine and interferes with absorption of nutrients from food.

"It's outrageous and disgusting for them to for their own cynical purposes, to perpetuate a continuing lie, to use this child and splay his disease and disability all over the press for the world to know," Emery said. "It just shows they'll go to any lengths."

As for his money problems, McNamee said: "I'm not doing a book deal. I got offered seven figures to go on TV. I didn't do it. I didn't take it. I didn't do anything. All I did was what I thought was right -- I never thought it was right, but I thought that I had no other choice, put it that way."

McNamee says a number of times that he would "like to sit down in person with you."

Clemens does not agree to meet, instead saying, "Just give me a little time."

Another of McNamee's lawyers, Earl Ward, told Andrew Marchand of ESPN 1050 radio in New York that "the tape adds absolutely nothing."

He also said that McNamee will not speak again until he testifies Jan. 16 to the House Committee on Oversight and Government Reform.

As for his reaction to learning that McNamee had spoken with Clemens, Ward said, "I was surprised. I wasn't pleased."

After the tape was played, Hardin said Clemens was willing to speak to Congress. Clemens and McNamee were invited to Washington along with Andy Pettitte, Chuck Knoblauch and Kirk Radomski, the former Mets' clubhouse attendant alleged to have provided McNamee with performance-enhancing drugs.

"I'm going to Congress and I'm going to tell the truth," Clemens said.

The committee planned to ask Clemens' representatives for the complete recording of the telephone conversation played at the news conference, said Karen Lightfoot, communications director for the panel's chairman, California Democrat Henry Waxman.

Laying out a timeline of events, Hardin said on Monday that they did find out before the release of the Mitchell report that McNamee had made incriminating statements about Clemens. They decided not to respond, Hardin said, because it was not clear if the report would name names.


Roger Clemens, left, and his lawyer, Rusty Hardin listen to the tape.

They also had another hope.

"Roger thought that since it was so untrue, perhaps Brian McNamee would change his mind," Hardin said.

The New York Daily News also reported on Monday that days before the scheduled release of the Mitchell report Clemens' investigators asked McNamee whether he would be willing to recant.

McNamee reportedly called Clemens and Pettitte to warn them that he had spoken to the government. During an interview on "60 Minutes" which aired on Sunday night, Clemens denied knowing that he would be named by Mitchell.

Clemens filed a defamation lawsuit against McNamee Sunday night in Harris County District Court in Texas, listing 15 alleged statements McNamee made to Mitchell. Clemens claimed the statements were "untrue and defamatory."

"We are ready to go to Congress and we are ready to counter-sue," Ward said, adding that they will first try to get Clemens' suit thrown out before they decide for sure if they will sue.

Also Sunday, McNamee told SI.com that Clemens was "in no way an abuser of steroids."

"He took them in late July, August, and never for more than four to six weeks max," he was quoted as saying. "Within the culture of what was going on, he was just a small part of it. A lot of guys did it. You can't take away the work Roger did. You can't take away the fact that he worked out as hard as anybody."

Monday was the first time Clemens answered questions from a group of reporters.

His anger at reporters for the way he has been portrayed was clear when he mentioned the Hall of Fame. There has speculation that the allegations in the Mitchell report would hurt his chances for induction.

"Do you think I played my career because I care about the Hall of Fame? ... If you have a vote ... you keep your vote," he said and walked off shortly afterward.

Clemens angrily denied taking performance-enhancing drugs on Sunday as well. His appearance came after weeks of criticism that he wasn't publicly denying the allegations.

Hardin said on Monday the legal team told the pitcher to wait.

"We knew that once this came out, there would surely be congressional hearings," Hardin said.

Hardin also wanted to make clear that Clemens and his legal team were not questioning the integrity of former senator George Mitchell.

"We are not making any allegations of misconduct by the government or the Mitchell Commission," he said.

Information from The Associated Press was used in this report.

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Re: Guess what? Clemens lied on "60 Minutes"

Post  RedMagma on Mon Jan 07, 2008 7:06 pm

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The man's son is dying, and Clemens uses this as an excuse call McNamee and try and pull something out of him. If you cannot hear how fake Clemens is in this phone conversation, get your ears checked. And yet, McNamee never once says Clemens didn't do it, interesting. What an absolutely disgusting move by Clemens to try and take advantage of a person in a fragile state of mind..
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You can spin that tape any way you want.... if you hate Roger, he sounds guilty.... if you support him, he sounds legit. Really, it doesn't tell us anything, which is strange. Both men sounded evasive in some ways. Very strange.
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If I was Roger and had the guy who lied about me on the phone I would probably try to strangle him through the phone lines....Roger never really showed any anger levels in his voice during this conversation.....
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This tape was pretty much useless. Neither side takes an advantage from it and both sides sound bewildered as to what the truth is. Maybe this is a tryout for Clemens and McNamee for some independent film to be played years from now.

Also, Roger whether any of this is true or not, it's good to see Roger's warm heart TRUTHFULLY caring *cough, sarcasm* about McNamee's sick kid, hope he gets better soon no matter who is right and wrong.
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If clemens had answered when he was asked "what do you want me to do?" that could have been witness tampering. Im sure his lawyers told him specifically that he was NOT allowed in any case to request that mcnamee do ANYTHING
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It sure takes a man of Roger's integrity to try to entrap someone.

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Post  RedMagma on Mon Jan 07, 2008 7:07 pm

Don't believe this charade from Clemens. Yankee fans, you are the ones that should know not to take this at face value. Are y'all memories that short? Remember Roger "retiring" and crying just to end up in Houston some months later. I don't take this act of defiance as nothing but an act to save face. "I don't need the Hall of Fame" Ok, then why are you giving press conferences on national T.V., recording a man who didn't know, and hiding behind this frivilous lawsuit.


As in the Duke lacrosse case, Nifong painted a very bleak picture and eveyone jumped on the bandwagon and he simply destroyed the kids lifes. They will have to live with the case hanging over their heads the rest of their lives. Now this case is slightly different, however the credibility of the some of the witnesses is borderline and with this the case, any prosecution is cleary pushing the boundries of ethical codes if Bonds and Clemens don't come forward and just admit it. It wasn't against the law at the time even if they did do it and if it wasn't breaking the law, then they aren't only innocent of a crime because there wasn't any, but its government intimidation to try and get them to mentally crack. In the end Nifong who is the law was an idiot and an egotistical maniac for abusing the law for his own purposes; someone should gag Canseco because all his slander is just dust in the wind and is damaging to Clemens credibilty.

McNamee had everything to lose by lying to the investigators or not telling the whole truth. If it came out later that he knew Clemens was juicing but didn't tell, he would go to jail not the other way around. He had to tell them the truth or he risked jailtime...he had many reasons to tell the truth and no plausable reason to lie. Please don't tell me the feds pressured him to give up names, this was not an investigation by the feds. McNamee was given a chioce to assist in the Mitchell REPORT in exchange for leniency...the only stipulation was that if he lied he could be charged for and it and any leniency given would be reversed. Now tell me why he would lie, really think about it.

BTW, If the Feds had conducted an INVESTIGATION into PED use in baseball, there would have been hundreds of names, from the commissioner right on down to the batboys.


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Doesn't B-12 come in a pill form? Who is he kidding. Stand-up guy with secret tapes. What about the bat throwing incident with Piazza? Mood swings? "I thought it was the ball" Oh yeah, you always throw the ball at the runner, not to the first baseman! He lied then, is lying now, and when he lies to Congress he'll be with Vick in Levenworth. Hall of Fame/Hall of Shame. Remember to use the Soap-on-a-Rope!

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Post  RedMagma on Mon Jan 07, 2008 7:10 pm

I wonder what Andy Pettit was thinking when Roger said the only conversation they have had since he admitted he used hgh was about his son getting in a 4 wheller accident. I bet my life there was a little more said than that. There has got to be some players from the yankees that will have to come forward after listening to roger lie like this unless they also had no idea he was doing steroids

redempsion - a pitchers statistics in terms of yearly era and strikeouts would be barely affected by using steroids. Think about it. Just like a batter's batting average would be barely affected. A hitter's homerun power is really the only tangible stat in baseball that can be traced to steroids (and stolen bases). The only other factor then, would be longevity. Clearly, in both bonds and clemens case, didn't they seem to get better with age? And last a lot longer then what is normal? I don't know if Bonds or Clemens used steroids, but you can't say clemens didn't cause his performance wasn't affected. Do you know how to throw a baseball? How much of throwing a baseball is strength? And how much is mechanics?

Funny how history repeats itself. Ever read The Crucible by Arthur Miller?

This whole darn sharade is EXACTLY like the Salem Witch Trials.

Here, in America, Clemens is innocent until he is proven guilty. Clemens shouldn't even have to prove himself innocent until McNamee can prove him guilty. No one seems to realize that McNamee has proven NOTHING.

It will take hard evidence for anyone to be prove that Clemens used steroids, and it's a darn shame that his name and all that he was worked for has already been tainted by one man's heresay


Pedro "Roid Rage" when He threw Old man Don Zimmer on the ground and hit so many Yankees batters because He's frustrated when Yankees hitters owned him so much.

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Post  RedMagma on Mon Jan 07, 2008 7:11 pm

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Brian McNamee sits mostly stone-faced as Roger Clemens, his onetime client and close friend, brings the heat. "Ridiculous," "hogwash" -- terms used by the seven-time Cy Young Award winner to discredit McNamee's bombshell testimony in the Mitchell Report, in which the longtime personal trainer told investigators that he had injected Clemens with HGH and anabolic steroids -- fail to break McNamee's calm.

Sitting on the couch of his one-bedroom bungalow by a Long Island beach, in an exclusive interview with Sports Illustrated, his first public words since the release of the Mitchell Report on Dec. 13, McNamee occasionally interjects as Mike Wallace interviews Clemens on 60 Minutes. At times he is even complimentary of his client-turned-combatant.

His mood darkens, however, when Wallace asks Clemens, "What did McNamee gain by lying?"

"Evidently not going to jail," the pitcher replies.

"Jail time for what?" Wallace asks.

"Well, I think he's been buying and movin' steroids."

"I'd rather be called a liar than a drug pusher," McNamee says, his voice rising.

He gathers himself, then continues. "The feds look at bank accounts, and there's no money unaccounted for. I don't launder money. I don't have anything in my mattress. If I was pushing drugs, what did I do with the money?"

As suddenly as the storm arrived, it passes. His eyes maneuver between his 23-inch television and a computer monitor that is providing minute-by-minute reviews of Clemens' interview. The trainer reads aloud from e-mails that are supportive of him. He stops to hear Clemens acknowledge that McNamee did, in fact, inject him -- only with the anesthetic lidocaine and B-12 vitamins rather than with HGH and anabolic steroids. "That's news to me," McNamee says. But the edge is gone now. He explains that such shots are administered through the arm and not the butt and implores Wallace to ask the pitcher where he got such prescription drugs. Wallace does not.

When Clemens claims to have no knowledge that Andy Pettitte -- Clemens' close friend and training partner, and another former client of McNamee -- had twice taken HGH, thus corroborating McNamee's testimony in the Mitchell Report, the trainer interjects, "I believe that."

As the 60 Minutes interview draws to a close, Clemens, who will repeat his denials in a news conference the next day, discusses the possibility of taking a lie detector test. "I think he's the one guy who could probably beat the test," McNamee opines. "He might actually believe that he's telling the truth."

McNamee apparently still admires Clemens very much, so much that he insists that the 45-year-old right-hander belongs in the Hall of Fame. And though his lawyers have threatened a defamation lawsuit against Clemens, McNamee says he hopes it doesn't come to a courtroom. "I'd like it all to just fade away,'' he says. (Word would come late on Sunday night that Clemens had filed a defamation suit of his own.)

But to testify truthfully, McNamee explains, was the only way to avoid prosecution. "I shouldn't have done it,'' he says of his steroid involvement. "I made a mistake. And I stopped it.''
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Mike Wallace's interview with Roger Clemens aired on CBS' 60 Minutes on Sunday night.
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What McNamee says he did back then was to educate players in what he recognized to be a steroid epidemic. He says he didn't push players to performance-enhancing drugs, but only helped steer them to safer drugs if they were already so inclined. "I made a mistake [out of] loyalty to others,'' is how he puts it.

Safer performance-enhancing drugs, McNamee explains, is what drew him to Kirk Radomski, the former New York Mets' clubhouse attendant who has pleaded guilty to distributing steroids and money laundering. McNamee, then a Yankees strength and conditioning coach, became acquainted with Radomski, whom he learned through a mutual acquaintance might be able to get him a deal on a Lexus. Soon McNamee started buying steroids from Radomski, whom he saw as a trusted source of quality performance-enhancing drugs. McNamee sees himself as someone who only did what his big-name clients requested, faithfully carrying out orders.

Clemens and McNamee had hit it off almost immediately in Toronto in the late 1990s, when Clemens was a four-time Cy Young Award winner thought to be near the end of a Hall of Fame career. Defying the odds, Clemens won three more Cy Youngs, aided in part, according to the Mitchell Report, by performance-enhancing drugs procured by McNamee. The Mitchell Report states that McNamee shot up Clemens between 16 and 21 times with as many as three different steroids and HGH over the 1998, 2000 and 2001 seasons. On numerous occasions, including an SI.com interview in 2006, McNamee had denied any involvement with steroids. "I looked at them like white lies,'' McNamee says. "I was doing clinics and getting mail from high school coaches, and the topic would always come up. Why did they need to hear the truth and take away from my program of smart training, eating well and working hard? There really were no shortcuts.''

McNamee says no one ever outworked Clemens, but McNamee said under oath that Clemens had artificial help. He saw noted West Coast trainer Greg Anderson go to prison rather than testify about his star client, Barry Bonds. But McNamee has three young children and wouldn't think of choosing Clemens over them. (Though in a taped phone call from last Friday played at Clemens' press conference on Monday afternoon, McNamee would offer to go to jail on Clemens' behalf.)

"Faced with the situation I was faced with, I had no choice,'' McNamee says. "I didn't want to do it. I have a 10-year-old and a 7-year-old and I don't want them taking steroids. I'm embarrassed. I wish I had nothing to do with it.''

start quote And Roger was in no way an abuser of steroids. He never took them through our tough winter workouts. And he never took them in spring training, when the days are longest. He took them in late July, August, and never for more than four to six weeks max ... it wasn't that frequent. end quote
-- Brian McNamee

McNamee still holds Clemens in high regard, in part because he admires the pitcher's tireless work ethic, and also because he believes that Clemens was only one of many players using performance enhancers. "It's sad,'' McNamee says. "He was a mentor to me. Roger is an unbelievable family man. I learned how to treat my kids from Roger. And Roger was in no way an abuser of steroids. He never took them through our tough winter workouts. And he never took them in spring training, when the days are longest. He took them in late July, August, and never for more than four to six weeks max ... it wasn't that frequent.'

"Within the culture of what was going on, he was just a small part of it. A lot of guys did it. You can't take away the work Roger did. You can't take away the fact that he worked out as hard as anybody.'' When McNamee, also a former strength and conditioning coach with the Blue Jays from 1998 through 2000, is asked to estimate how many major leaguers were involved with steroids during that period, he answers without hesitation. "More than half,'' he says.

McNamee speaks fondly about his successful pairing with Clemens; apparently, he hasn't quite let go. There are signs that he'd like their old relationship back. Clemens revealed on 60 Minutes that McNamee emailed him for fishing tips days before Mitchell's findings were divulged without hinting what was to come, an assertion that McNamee didn't deny.

McNamee explains that he was prohibited from revealing to anyone what he had told Mitchell. "It was killing me," he says. "I got sick. I could not talk about it. It was a federal investigation.'' McNamee also explains that at the time he was still reasonably hopeful that none of the names Mitchell learned from him or anyone else would be made public. "Why would I tell Roger or Andy something they might not even find out about?'' he says.

McNamee received the first call from the feds way back in May. "I was pretty compelled to tell the truth,'' is the way McNamee put it. "It made me sick,'' he says. 'I was hospitalized for the stress.''

Three months later, in August, he was called before Mitchell, and asked to nod to what he told the feds the month before. When he was done nodding, he says Mitchell hugged him. But he claims he took no pride in it.

"I made a mistake. And obviously, I paid for it tenfold,'' McNamee says.

McNamee says Clemens paid him fairly -- "he paid me a decent wage, nothing more, nothing less; I helped make him millions.'' He talks often about his kids, and a neat but tall stack of diapers on the dining room table suggests that he's heavily involved in their lives. His training business also is far from hurting. There are weights in a small front room of the bungalow, and he appears to have a full training schedule -- though, of course none of the clients are of Clemens' ilk.

While his rented house is rather small, it is located in a desirable community only blocks from the beach. It isn't close to Clemens' palace, but it is homey. Considering all that's gone on, he also appears to have more peace of mind than you'd think despite the stress. "I'll land on my feet,'' he says. "I'll get by.''

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Post  RedMagma on Mon Jan 07, 2008 7:14 pm

The best solution for this is to ask ANDY his BUDDY that now he is only his FRIEND. What he knows about roger. Ask him under oath if he knew roger was taking HGH.. Also if Roger knew Andy was doing it. I bet that will clear peoples minds. Andy is a class MAN. Unlike ROIDger. I would pay to see that interview..

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Post  RedMagma on Mon Jan 07, 2008 7:14 pm

In my opinion, even if Roger did cheat, he owes us, the public, nothing.... not even an apology. The man put on an amazing show, heated rivalries, and made the game fun to watch and be involved in. I couldn't care less whether he took steroids, he is and was an amazing pitcher.

Baseball is a form of entertainment, deal with it.

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Post  RedMagma on Mon Jan 07, 2008 7:16 pm


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Brian McNamee: "I don't have any money. I have nothing," McNamee said. "I'm not doing a book deal. I got offered seven figures to go on TV. I didn't do it. I didn't take it. I didn't do anything. All I did was what I thought was right -- I never thought it was right, but I thought that I had no other choice, put it that way."

On Sunday, McNamee told SI.com that Clemens was "in no way an abuser of steroids."

"He took them in late July, August, and never for more than four to six weeks max," he was quoted as saying. "Within the culture of what was going on, he was just a small part of it. A lot of guys did it. You can't take away the work Roger did. You can't take away the fact that he worked out as hard as anybody."

Obviously, Brian McNamee worships Clemens and is doing what he has to do. Clemens will ruin a guy with a dying child. What a SCUM, CHEAT, and LIAR.


Boy, am I glad I am not famous -- the court of public opinion is brutal. I personally have not seen convincing evidence in any of these cases (no, I am not a lawyer), but we have folks like Colin Cowherd saying that because Rocket's stats improved and his career was revitalized late in his career, he must have juiced. What about Nolan Ryan? Did he juice? The guy was an animal (95+ fastball and 200+ K's consistently) well into his 40s. Could Rocket's work-out ethic just have prolonged his career the way Ryan's did?

By the way, I have been much more successful at work since I started drinking RedBulls. Does this qualify as performance enhancers? The new milk commercials along the same lines are hilarious. Is it possible we are all chemically enhanced?

McNamee sounded like a poor desperate man willing to do anything (including lie) to improve his life. I am certain he will reap some financial rewards eventually.

This all sucks. What are we supposed to tell our kids? Rocket's kids are probably ashamed of their dad, whether he did it or not.


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Post  RedMagma on Mon Jan 07, 2008 7:17 pm

joemcmanus23- good for you to keep your gut instinct, i applaud you, but there is no hard evidence to say that it is right. so on that basis alone, believe what you want, but know that quite possibly it is wrong, and has no factual basis

If Roger would of just came out and told the truth from the beginning he would be so better off right now! It is funny how big of a whole he is climbing into it

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Post  RedMagma on Mon Jan 07, 2008 7:18 pm

Roger played the taped phone conversation for the public like it was going to clear-up something, it cleared-up nothing. Then he's got the nerve to turn around and P L A Y the phone conversation for the public while threatening Brian McNamee (in front of the press) like he was going to kick his ####???? Why didn't he "raise-up" like that when he had Brian on the phone??????? Roger Clemens is a little _itch.

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Post  RedMagma on Mon Jan 07, 2008 7:18 pm

Sports is entertainment. Just like the movies, just like reality tv. Does anyone care if brad pitt juiced to get those washboard abs or if will smith juiced to be able to get the Ali role? No. So who cares, let them entertain, that's their job. If juicin gets us more grand slams to win games then sweet!!!!

poophat: I agree, baseball players are overpaid and over-glorified. I wasn't comparing "comparing the public fall from grace of an athlete with the Salem Witch Trials". If that is what I appeared to be saying, I am sorry. I was merely trying to draw a connection between the way in which the public has jumped to conclusions about Roger and the way in which people of 17th century Salem jumped to conclusions during the Salem Witch Trials.

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Post  RedMagma on Mon Jan 07, 2008 7:21 pm

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Clare, Thanks for answering my question.

Justice’s comments on McNamee are here - scroll down a bit to the Justice video. it contradicts McNamee in that it protrays McNamee as trying to push HGH onto Justice, and it is pretty funny in that Justice says he would have probably tried it if it didn’t involve needles:

http://www.yesnetwork.com/media/archive.jsp?cat=media&oid=36019&y=2007&m=12
# Clare January 7th, 2008 at 9:18 pm

In Texas state court, they have a system where the parties can agree to supplement the meager jury duty fee. Both parties have to agree and contribute (so one side isn’t buying the jury), but if it’s a long trial both sides usually will ante up. The last thing you want is pissed off jurors.

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Post  RedMagma on Mon Jan 07, 2008 7:22 pm

January 7th, 2008 at 9:12 pm

On December 14, 2007, Justice told ESPN radio host Colin Cowherd during a radio interview on The Herd with Colin Cowherd that his only involvement ever with performance-enhancing drugs was a discussion with Brian McNamee, then the New York Yankees’ strength coach, in 2000 about HGH (human growth hormone).

Of course, if Justice can show that McNamee was even remotely untruthful with his case, it would go a long way.

Clare January 7th, 2008 at 9:12 pm

I miss bernie,

What I don’t understand is why the report is so limited. If Mitchell could get the feds to get Radomski and McNamee to cooperate, why couldn’t he get access to the Albany and Florida online pharmacy investigations that have led to the slow leaks of player names? Mitchell just quoted the public reports of the leaks. If I were Mitchell, (and could get various governmental agencies to help me out with my private, lucrative investigation), I would have gotten all the raw data from those investigations and gotten some young associates from my firm to go through it looking for player names.

SI said after the Mitchell report that more names were to come, and SI would know. Two reporters went on a raid on one of the Florida pharmacies (I think), and SI has been the recipients of some of the leaked names, so I believe them when they say they expect more names to leak out. If Mitchell had done a thorough job, all the names would be out already, and we wouldn’t have to worry about a random leak before, oh, say an ALCS Game 7.

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Post  RedMagma on Mon Jan 07, 2008 8:48 pm

# January 7th, 2008 at 10:39 pm

The original Law & Order used to be fairly accurate (about as accurate as you can get in a few minute portrayals of court room scenes.) Unfortunately, like so much television today, it became rather sensationalized and with it went the accuracy in the court room and district attorney portrayals.
# Nettles vs. Lee January 7th, 2008 at 10:42 pm

Anyone interested should read this background on McNamee, especially the rape allegations:

http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/news/story?id=3153874

This guy sounds like a major league scumbag. (And it doesn’t reflect well on either Clemens or Pettite that they kept him on as their personal trainer).
# Boston Dave January 7th, 2008 at 10:42 pm

Go NYR -

Technically if McNamee loses the case, he’s goin to jail!

The case against his credibility is mounting by the hour.
# Boston Dave January 7th, 2008 at 10:44 pm

Nettles -

didnt Clemens (via the Yankees) fire McNamee after the rape case?

I think Clemens eventually employed him again after hearing his side of the story and doing what nobody is doing for him now… gave him the benefit of the doubt (since he was never charged in the end).
# Peter Abraham January 7th, 2008 at 10:45 pm

Hank Steinbrenner (of course) has weighed in from Tampa. Quotes on this post.
# Jim PA January 7th, 2008 at 10:46 pm

Hank Steinbrenner’s weighing in on Clemens now. He just said tonight that people shouldn’t rush to judgment on the guy, then quickly added that, as for him, he has no idea whether Roger is telling the truth or not. Thanks for the support, Hank!

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Post  RedMagma on Mon Jan 07, 2008 8:49 pm

# Jeff NJ January 7th, 2008 at 10:24 pm

Haven’t been on the blog all day, I too had the honror of listening to Mike and the Mad Dog on a long car drive from AC.

I did get back in time to hear and or see the Clemens press conference. I didn’t think it made Clemens seem any less guilty than earlier.

I do think from a legal standpoint Clemens, if he can stick to his story, has a good chance to clear his name.

However, I do still am sure he did roids or HGH, no doubt in my mind. I am very surprised that many folks are changing their opinions on that.

No need for xmas ornaments here.
# Bring Back Tony Womack to Play Left Field January 7th, 2008 at 10:26 pm

Wouldn’t it be something if instead of the usual blogs, Brian McNamee was “pinch hitting” as a guest blogger?

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Steinbrenner withholds judgment on Clemens and steroids

Post  RedMagma on Mon Jan 07, 2008 9:00 pm

Steinbrenner withholds judgment on Clemens and steroids


http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/news/story?id=3185777


TAMPA, Fla. -- Hank Steinbrenner isn't sure whether Roger Clemens used steroids and human growth hormone. The New York Yankees senior vice president thinks others are rushing to judgment, though.

Clemens held a news conference Monday in Houston, again denying allegations in last month's Mitchell Report that he used performance-enhancing drugs.

"I thought that the press conference spoke for itself," Steinbrenner said Monday night outside Legends Field at the Yankees' spring training complex. "I thought the media commentary after the press conference was over was a little harsh. Too much rush to judgment in this country. As far as whether he's telling the truth or not, I have no clue. But I'm not going to say, well, he's lying, like everybody on TV did after he was done."

Clemens filed a defamation suit late Sunday night against his former trainer, Brian McNamee, who told George Mitchell's investigators that he injected the seven-time Cy Young Award winner with steroids and HGH in 1998, 2000 and 2001 -- before baseball players and owners agreed to ban those substances.

"Everybody, the media, all said, 'Oh, he's got to sue,'" Steinbrenner said. "[Barry] Bonds never sued. Everybody said, 'Why not?' Well, this guy is suing and now they still don't believe him. You've got to start to wonder at some point. I don't rush to judgment. That's the big thing with me. I don't do that, and that's the exact term for it, rush to judgment."

Steinbrenner also agreed with comments made earlier this month by Joe Torre, who managed the Yankees from 1996-2007.

A total of 20 current and former Yankees were identified in Mitchell's report. Torre said the high total likely was due to two of Mitchell's primary sources being from the New York area: McNamee and former Mets clubhouse attendant Kirk Radomski, which "made it look like a lopsided report," Torre said.

Torre also suspects drug use might have been more widespread.

"The biggest thing is, I agree with what Torre said about the Mitchell Report, which I thought was great he said it. Of course, that was his team, too," Steinbrenner said. "That is, it was extremely lopsided towards the Yankees. You can't tell me all those teams weren't doing it. Of course they were."

Torre won the World Series four times in his first five years with New York before leaving at the end of last season and becoming manager of the Los Angeles Dodgers.

Copyright 2008 by The Associated Press


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