Huston Street's available?

Page 1 of 10 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9, 10  Next

Go down

Huston Street's available?

Post  RedMagma on Sun Jan 13, 2008 3:27 am

Huston Street's available?

http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2008/01/13/SPTAUEHGQ.DTL
Two industry sources speculated Saturday that if the A's land Devine, they will look to move closer Huston Street. General manager Billy Beane has made no secret that he's rebuilding the team, "full bore

E-mail Susan Slusser at sslusser@sfchronicle.com.



A Redsox Fan posted this in Espn Forums

Crisp and couple of prospects for Street?


Huston Street To Beantown?

No link, but I just saw Peter Gammons on WEII.

He said the Red Sox might be willing to trade Coco Crisp, Justin Masterson, and Jed Lowrie to the A's for Huston Street. http://www.prosportsdaily.com/forums/showthread.php?t=180250 Of course, if the A's acquired Crisp he would be dealt in a 3 way so that would give us RHP Masterson (#6 prospect according to Sickels, B), SS Lowrie (#3 , A-) and the assets from the Crisp deal for Street


Last edited by on Sun Jan 13, 2008 10:21 am; edited 2 times in total

RedMagma

Posts : 3654
Join date : 2007-12-24

View user profile

Back to top Go down

Re: Huston Street's available?

Post  RedMagma on Sun Jan 13, 2008 3:27 am

Rolen For Glaus Swap Close


http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/

According to Ken Rosenthal, the Blue Jays and Cardinals are "closing in" on a trade of Troy Glaus for Scott Rolen. Both would have to pass physicals first. Rosenthal adds that both players agreed to waive their no-trade clauses and the Cardinals might need to cough up some cash as well.

Glaus, 31, hit .262/.366/.473 in an abbreviated 2007 season. He had nerve decompression surgery for his foot in September, which will hopefully relieve his plantar fasciitis. Also that month, Sports Illustrated reported that Glaus received multiple shipments of steroids as a member of the Angels. Glaus is set to earn $12.75MM in '08 and $11.25MM in '09.

Rolen, who will turn 33 in April, hit .265/.331/.398 in a similarly abbreviated season. He also had September surgery, a shoulder cleaning that involved removing scar tissue. Rolen also had shoulder surgery in '05, but did show good power for the first five months of '06. His other wart is a strained relationship with Tony La Russa. He'll earn $12MM in '08, '09, and '10.

It's hard to say which team won the swap, though I lean towards the Cardinals. They get a younger player with a less serious health issue and a shorter commitment. The reason I think it's close is that Rolen is a superior defender. Can you imagine hitting a groundball to the left side when Rolen and John McDonald are both on the field?

RedMagma

Posts : 3654
Join date : 2007-12-24

View user profile

Back to top Go down

Re: Huston Street's available?

Post  RedMagma on Sun Jan 13, 2008 3:28 am

[quote]

The Cards are going to be pretty awful defensively compared to last year. They are goingt to miss Rolen at 3rd on defense, being that he is among the best ever. That offense was looking awful though...so I guess I can see the logic. I just don't know if the net run differential will be any different.

Posted by: Aduncaroo | January 12, 2008 at 03:35 PM

I love this trade for Toronto. Rolen couldn't play in philly, then couldn't play for larussa. Rolen's injuries have been much more severe than glaus'.

Rolen is an injury prone crybaby. It is addition by subtraction for the Cards.

Posted by: phitinphils | January 12, 2008 at 03:42 PM

wait you love this trade for Toronto yet Bash Rolen saying he's worthless? what does that make Glaus then?

Posted by: Dev0 | January 12, 2008 at 03:50 PM

cardinals just want EVEN MORE money to come off the books for next offseason. it makes sense in that way. assuming similar payroll they'll have nearly $50MM to spend next offseason.

Posted by: scootie puff jr. | January 12, 2008 at 03:52 PM

ADuncaroo where do you get the cards will be horrible on D next season? Glaus is better than any replacement the Cards used for Rolen last season so that makes him tons better than anything we could have put out there this season since Scotty had to be moved because of his crap with LaRussa. And Izturis is tons better defensively than Eck ever was. Ankiel for an entire season is a huge improvement over over Juan "I never Hustle" Encarnacion. Duncan gets a teeny bit better every year in LF from more experience and his spring workouts with Larry Walker. CF potentially could get better if Colby plays a significant role in 2008, because While all Cards fan had hope a healthy Jimmy Edmonds would improve on his 2007 season, it wasn't a given at all. I get so annoyed that you have to make up crap to take your pot shots at the Cards. Try using something real for once

Posted by: ozziethesaint | January 12, 2008 at 04:09 PM

Actually Scootie puff, it's not about money coming off the books, According to Bernie Miklasz, The Cards are working right now before the physicals can be done, to work out a financial deal to guarantee Glaus' player option for 2009. They want him for at least 2 seasons.

Posted by: ozziethesaint | January 12, 2008 at 04:12 PM

Wow, are there ever some questionable statements in here…

Roberts best seasons were when he was on supposedly on steroids because he admitted to a onetime mistake he made? So how do you explain last year being his second best season? Yeah, quite the flaw in that argument there, huh…

Pujols on steroids? Are you kidding me? Its much, much, much more likely that your team has steroid users in Alfonso Soriano and Derrek Lee in many peoples eyes. Not saying those two used them (so Cubs fans don’t go blindly bashing here), but many feel it and they do make as much to more sense than Pujols…

Glaus on Steriods? Yeah ~ but when was it? Oh yeah, it was between 2000 to maybe 2003/2004, huh… And what exactly does that provide to his 05-07 numbers ~ you know, the years where he was still one of the top-5 hitting 3B in baseball despite the lack of steroids and constant injuries…


Oh and this statement given:
“In Rolen's best year he played at approximately the same level as Glaus' average”
for these stats:
Glaus
2005 - 149 games - 258/363/522/885 - 37HR's
2006 - 153 games - 252/355/513/868 - 38HR's
2007 - 115 games - 262/366/473/839 - 20HR's
Rolen
2006 - 142 games - 296/369/518/887 - 22 HR's

…Uhh, that 2006 line you gave from Rolen is arguably the best line you provided as a whole, that woulnt be the same as “Glaus’ average”. Well, unless you are one of those select few who believe that HR totals are somehow the only way a player provides value…

But Glaus vs Rolen actually averaged this over the last three:
.257/.361/.506/.869 vs .274/.347/.452/.799. Still a difference, but it isnt factoring the Defensive value at all and in the end you actually end up much closer than some seem to be implying… Oh and it doesn’t take this into account:

The big difference here:
Glaus *Away from Tor*
.242/.349/.457/.806 ~ vs .273/.374/.559/.933 at home.

I believe that’s about as big of a home/road split as you will ever see… That Home/Road split shows us that Glaus is no where near as good a hitter away from Tor as he is at home. If Glaus provides that away line in the NL and a slight increase to it in home games for StL, then you are looking at stats averaging about what Rolen has done himself and an extreme difference with the glove. That being the case I would have to say that the Cards quite possibly got the short end of this stick here…

Posted by: darkstar1661 | January 12, 2008 at 04:13 PM

If I had 16" softball team - or a fantasy baseball team, I'd take Troy Glaus. If I had a baseball team, I'd want Scott Rolen.

Posted by: crunchy1 | January 12, 2008 at 04:13 PM

That and plus that Molina and Pujols can win gold gloves. Pujols already won one and Molina is a top notch catcher in the league with his defense. His offince need to be worked on, but the hitting coach see what Molina did wrong last year and Molina hit better last year then the year before.

Posted by: Knuffy | January 12, 2008 at 04:14 PM

I gotta agree (without the details) that this leans slightly to the Jays. Neither player is great offensively anymore, and they're both injury risks. But Rolen still plays stellar defense, something Glaus never did.

This at least helps the Jays' infield defense with their GB pitchers.

Posted by: djskilbr | January 12, 2008 at 04:17 PM

I am a little late to the discussion, but the post has been updated with my thoughts.

Posted by: Tim Dierkes | January 12, 2008 at 04:19 PM

"There's a difference in roids for injury recovery and roids for performance enhancement (assuming he did in fact use those he recieved)."

Not really. He used steroids to benefit his playing career. Whether it be so he can play better or play more games, it's still unnatural and illegal. Thats like if i said I was only shooting up on heroin to numb the pain from my broken leg.

I also doubt that Scott Rolen circa 2008 will play the quality of defense that he played a couple years ago. He's still an elite defensive third baseman, but no longer on a historical level. Unless he can bounce back with that bat I think Glaus will be the more valuable player. Plus Glaus' contract is much more tolerable.

And I think the Cards defense will be fine next year. The infield defense should be good anyways with Pujols, Kennedy, Izturis and Glaus, Molina will be good as always, so pretty much all of the fielding questions come from the Ankiel-Rasmus-Duncan outfield.

Posted by: scribbletone | January 12, 2008 at 04:21 PM

All good points dark. However, the Cardinals made a move that is often justifiable by the situation they are in; you can't judge this trade in a vacuum, because Rolen is a whiner, Glaus is a user, etc. But really what I am getting at is that while their overall value is equal on the field, and if Rolen goes back to .800+ OPS he will definitely be more valuable, but Glaus hitting behind Pujols makes a great difference and even if Rolen does come back in a way, pitchers see a bigger threat in Glaus than Rolen because of the home runs. They aren't thinking "Oh ****, this guy has an .850 OPS" they are thinking "Oh ****, this guy looks like he will eat my children and hits a lot of homers".

Posted by: gogopalehose | January 12, 2008 at 04:30 PM

Imagine hitting against an infield including Rolen, McDonald and Hill? Not to mention Overbay's plus defense. The best defensive infield in the majors, folks!

Posted by: Dont Do That! | January 12, 2008 at 04:31 PM

Not to mention the best outfield arm in the majors in right and a perennial gold glover in center.

Posted by: Grant77 | January 12, 2008 at 05:01 PM

Best arm in the majors? Maybe top 10. But Rios is still a very good defender. I'd say their only weak point is catcher, everyone else is above average or elite, excluding Eckstein, but when you put in J-Mac, they have the best defense in the majors. Hell, they might just have that anyway.

Posted by: gogopalehose | January 12, 2008 at 05:03 PM

I genuinely think this is win-win. Definitely risks on both sides, but speaking as a (drunk) Jays fan, the artificial turf here was just not giving Glaus enough chance to be himself. Being at the ballpark for most of the home games, I saw a whole lot more wincing and pain in his face than you would have seen on TV. This is a good decision for Glaus, and I think for the Jays. Hopefully the Cardinals, too.

In Rolen the Jays are giving themselves a sick defense. McDonald will be Halladay's personal SS and will come in in late inning situations. With two other groundball guys (Burnett, McGowan), and maybe a fourth (Litsch), it completely makes sense.

Riccardi said regarding the Lincecum for Rios deal that he thinks the Jays' only hope is through pitching, so improving the defense can't be bad. They'll lose a little hitting, I suppose (power, at least), but that should be made up by the defense and by Wells and Overbay returning to form.

And though this might sound stupid to anyone who's seen him more than I have, but even though Rolen is hardly sprinter, Glaus and all his foot problems are S L O W. Yes, this actually gives the Jays a little bit more speed on the base paths in the middle of their lineup, which was hard to watch with Thomas and Glaus last year.

Sure, the contract is longer and the risk is just as high, but he's cheaper and the Cards are giving up cash, which offsets most of that.

I like the deal. For all sides. And up here we're just going to hope that Rolen turns it around the way he did when he got out of the bad situation in Philly. Worst case, him and John Gibbons get in a full-on fistfight on the field. And considering the last fifteen or so years up here, I'd completely take that at this point.

Posted by: stoeten | January 12, 2008 at 05:11 PM

Take it from someone that watched Izturis last year very carefully. He isn't that great of a defender...at all. He had one year that he won a gold glove, and that was a long time ago. Believe me, we got him at least thinking he was a defensive specialist, and then he did things like have 3 errors in one game. Be very careful thinking your defense is good on the left side next year.

Also, Pujols probably didn't do steroids. But all you have to do is look at his body compared to guys like Lee and Soriano and you can see why people wonder. Really, I seriously doubt any of them did. The evidence against Soriano and Lee is just that they had a season where their numbers jumped incredibly, and Pujols has done it consistently. Still, at that point you just quetion if they did do it, how long they had been. Regardless, I seriously doubt any of them did.

Posted by: Aduncaroo | January 12, 2008 at 05:40 PM

Here is the difference between Glaus and Rolen over 3 years.

-- .080 in OPS (which is huge)
-- 35 extra games played per year
-- 20 extra HR's per season

Glaus may have huge split differences. That needs to be taken into account. Of course, so does Scott Rolen feasting on NL Central pitching vs Glaus in the AL East.

And yes, Glaus is not nearly the glove that Rolen is. But how valuable is the glove when you aren't on the field?

Most importantly, for the Cards they finally have someone how can provide protection to Pujols. This makes the Cards a much better team. If was a Cards fan I would be thrilled.

Posted by: bjsguess | January 12, 2008 at 05:42 PM

I'm a Cubs fan and I'm thrilled with this trade. I don't think people will pitch to Pujols because they're afraid of Glaus. And Aduncaroo is right, Itzuris is just an Ok fielder now. His arm isn't what it used to be. Glaus is too thick too move around. Kennedy at second? And with the exception of Carpenter, they don't have strikeout pitchers. These guys will be forced to field the ball all game long. Teams don't go far with shoddy defense. Who's playing center? Ankiel? The Cardinals should start worrying about the Pirates.

Posted by: crunchy1 | January 12, 2008 at 07:33 PM

Even if Izturis isn't a Gold Glover, he's still 100% better than Eckstein ever was on D and Eckstein got so much worse last year that you could have put a high school SS out there and got equal defense

Posted by: ozziethesaint | January 12, 2008 at 08:51 PM

quote-
"There's a difference in roids for injury recovery and roids for performance enhancement (assuming he did in fact use those he recieved)."

Not really. He used steroids to benefit his playing career. Whether it be so he can play better or play more games, it's still unnatural and illegal. Thats like if i said I was only shooting up on heroin to numb the pain from my broken leg.

-double unquote.

You are breaking out of the context of the thread though. If you want to argue that ethically, morally, there is no difference between recovery enhancment, and performance enhancement - you may be right.

BUT the point of this thread is comparing the production of these two players, and the point of my remark is to rebut the claim that Glaus' stats are steroid enhanced.

And within THAT context, there IS a difference between recovery enhancement and performance enhancement.

In the former, simply returning to the field faster does not skew the production levels being compared, in the latter case, it does.

RedMagma

Posts : 3654
Join date : 2007-12-24

View user profile

Back to top Go down

Re: Huston Street's available?

Post  RedMagma on Sun Jan 13, 2008 3:29 am

Posted by: WillRain | January 12, 2008 at 09:33 PM

DJ,

“Glaus is not nearly the glove that Rolen is. But how valuable is the glove when you aren't on the field?”

But the D-Value shouldn’t be discounted like that, 2005 (the year of his injury/surgery) is the only year that he missed significantly less time than Glaus. They played within 11 games of eachother in 06 and 3 in 07 ~ 14G over 2 years isnt enough for me to say one is any different than the other really.

The HR difference? Yeah, impressive ~ but will Glaus continue that many HRs in StL? Even when Rolen was at his worst, his 2B rates were still rather high ~ they aren’t enough to get the SLG up that high, but they were greatly valuable. If Glaus doesn’t keep an extreme HR rate up, his 2B rates are so much lower that he will quickly see the value gap diminish here.

And I’m not saying one is definitely better than the other here, I think this is about as equal of a trade as you can probably make when you are talking huge names at the same position. Strong arguments could be made from both sides, and that just proves it even more in my eyes…

Posted by: darkstar1661 | January 12, 2008 at 09:40 PM

There is such a defensive difference that even if Rolen continues at last year's production, he's still the equal of a 120 OPS+ Glaus.

If Rolen starts hitting like it's 2006 again, then it's a clear win for the Jays. Then again, he could be completely toast.

It's a situation where both guys needed to go, and you trade risk/reward for certainty.

The Jays probably win here, but Rolen wasn't going to stay in St. Louis. It just seems silly that Tony is back in St. Louis right now.

Posted by: plh903 | January 12, 2008 at 10:24 PM

Espn is now reporting that NO cash is changing hands. So this becomes a huge win for the Cards, they get rid of a whiner with a 3/33 bloated deal. Pick up the RH'ed masher they needed in their lineup, Glaus has already agreed to switch his player option to a team option. Excellent work by Mo!
If they can catch any breaks with the health of their pitchers, the team is coming together pretty solidly.

Posted by: ozziethesaint | January 12, 2008 at 10:45 PM

Ozzie,

Personally, I feel this is a slight win for the Cards; however, it's obvious if Rolen comes back healthy then the Blue Jays win big time. I remember you screaming to high heaven that Rolen has only had one true surgery and cleaned up his shoulder and should come back to his '06 level. Now he's a whiner on a bloated deal who won't be a good hitter. What gives, maine?

Posted by: Teetz | January 12, 2008 at 11:07 PM

He's a whiny baby for not being able to put aside his differences with TLR over a stupid benching that was for the best of the team. Even though I expect him to be much healthier this season, he's still not the power hitter Glaus is. And the Cards needed a RH'ed masher to help protect Pujols

Posted by: ozziethesaint | January 12, 2008 at 11:40 PM

If Rolen comes back 'much healthier', then he is every bit the power hitter Glaus is and would be the RH'ed masher you want protection Pujols.

I think Rolen's shoulder injury will continue to be a chronic injury and won't allow him to be the hitter he was at one time. I'm just saying...you're sounding a little hypocritical.

Posted by: Teetz | January 13, 2008 at 12:17 AM

I'd ask for a trade too if my manager was trashing me every time I turned around in the press. FWIW, Rolen has never publicly said anything on the matter, so it's complete speculation that he's a "whiny baby".

You are also underestimating the defensive difference (that's a first, from a Cards fan). Rolen as a .750 OPS hitter is basically as valuable as Glaus.

Like I said, Rolen could be done. But the Jays doctors graduated from accredited universities I'm assuming. If he doesn't have any strength or flexibility the deal won't happen.

The Cardinals just traded upside for certainty. Not what I would recommend for them at this point.

Posted by: plh903 | January 13, 2008 at 12:40 AM

I see it like this, the Cardinals traded a person that decide he do not want to play under TLR and Glaus love to play in Toronto, but he want to continue with his career. If the Cards do not need to pick up any of the money on Rolen like ESPN say, then I am very happy.

Posted by: Knuffy | January 13, 2008 at 12:55 AM

Cards fans I wouldn't be too happy about no cash changing hands, cause that likely means the jays are getting another player.

Posted by: Dev0 | January 13, 2008 at 02:03 AM

i dont think anyone has mentioned the financial flexibility the cards gain by having one less year on the contract. heck someone said glaus has made his player option a team option now. i hope so. if thats the case the cards have 6.5 million(encarnacion),8 million(izzy),6.5 million(mulder),5.5 million(looper),3,5 million(springer),2.85 million(izturis),2.3 million(spiezio),and 1.4 million(miles)coming off the books at the end of this year. not to mention they have already got rid of edmonds contract. now if clement and mulder have good years we sign them with the ever valuable team option. if they dont see ya. without clement were talking an extra 45 million. maybe 40 after arb eligibles. and hey lets toss in a healthy cy young winner. next year is looking better. i love edmonds and rolen but its time for ankiel,duncan,rasmus,perez,and hopefully some pitcher. impact starter,shortstop(have you seen the fa),and maybe third baseman for 09. cards back on top.

Posted by: Joelcards | January 13, 2008 at 02:37 AM

i know with that last posting someone will be thinking that we are conceding this year. this is true. the cubs,reds,pirates,and brewers had conceded the past decade beefore last year. we just need a year. cards will be back on top. those cubbie contracts will look stupid in 2 years,houston has no farm system,and the brewers will never spend money. reds and pirates dont even count. cards will rule once again. its in the air in st louis.

Posted by: Joelcards | January 13, 2008 at 02:41 AM

Who are we going to sign?

The Cardinals have plenty of flexibility after 2009. Only Pujols and Carpenter are under contract.

Why do some people not put a space after commas? I've seen it a lot lately. Where does this come from?

Posted by: plh903 | January 13, 2008 at 03:01 AM

"Even though I expect him to be much healthier this season, he's still not the power hitter Glaus"

FYI, Rolen has a better career slugging precentage than Glaus. Even after losing a lot of power in two of the last three seasons to injury.

Posted by: WillRain | January 13, 2008 at 03:17 AM

Teetz, I disagree that a healthy Rolen is every bit the HR threat Glaus is, Rolen has 4 seasons of 30+ HRs in 11 full seasons and averages 23 HRs per full season. While Glaus has 5 30+ Hr seasons in 9 full seasons while averaging while averaging 30 HRs a season. I threw out the first season for each player because of the fact neither played more than a 1/3 of a season in their rookie years.

So Glaus is good for more power on average.

Posted by: ozziethesaint | January 13, 2008 at 03:20 AM

"Even though I expect him to be much healthier this season, he's still not the power hitter Glaus"

FYI, Rolen has a better career slugging precentage than Glaus. Even after losing a lot of power in two of the last three seasons to injury.

Posted by: WillRain | January 13, 2008 at 03:21 AM

I feel this is win win on both sides. Rolen definitely needed a change in scenery and i hope he improves in Toronto. I expect both players to strive in their new environments. Though, being a card fan and all, i can't help but wonder if we have officially taken decent defense for granted. Isturiz will be good (better than Eck at the end for sure), but then Kennedy? Duncan, Ankiel?

Given our current status of a starting rotation (c'mon Jeff Weaver), not too many strikeouts. It will be an interesting season.

and i laughed a little bit when i read someone saying Pujols was on steroids. no... he's just that good.

Posted by: Benevolent | January 13, 2008 at 03:37 AM
[/quote]

RedMagma

Posts : 3654
Join date : 2007-12-24

View user profile

Back to top Go down

Re: Huston Street's available?

Post  RedMagma on Sun Jan 13, 2008 3:33 am

Rolen, Glaus both needed change of scenery
Crasnick

http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/hotstove07/columns/story?columnist=crasnick_jerry&id=3193810



By Jerry Crasnick
ESPN.com
(Archive)

Updated: January 12, 2008

* Comment
* Email
* Print

Toronto manager John Gibbons had a couple of highly-publicized blowouts with Shea Hillenbrand and Ted Lilly two years ago. But if you talk to people around the team, they'll tell you Gibbons is a "player's manager" who creates a comfortable environment for his guys.

That's a good thing for Scott Rolen -- the Blue Jays acquired the third baseman in exchange for Troy Glaus on Saturday -- because Toronto's newest addition doesn't have a particularly good track record with authoritarian types.

[+] Enlarge
Scott Rolen

Scott Rovak-US PRESSWIRE

Scott Rolen, 32, hit just eight home runs for St. Louis last season and had a .398 slugging percentage.
Rolen's relationship with Cardinals manager Tony La Russa -- always dicey -- reached six-alarm fire status when La Russa went on a bizarre, stream-of-consciousness rant at the winter meetings in early December. The minute La Russa shared the news that his personal rift with Rolen was driving him "nuts," it was only a matter of time.

After trade talks with the Milwaukee Brewers, Los Angeles Dodgers and other clubs stagnated, St. Louis general manager John Mozeliak found a willing taker in the Blue Jays, who think Rolen has enough of an all-around game to make them an even more serious threat to the Red Sox and Yankees in the American League East in 2008.

Rolen is a seven-time Gold Glove winner, and if his shoulder is healthy (admittedly a big "if"), he'll give Toronto a major upgrade defensively.

Toronto ranked 13th in the league with a .715 OPS (on-base percentage plus slugging percentage) against right-handed pitching last season. Rolen is a .284 career hitter against righties -- compared to .244 for Glaus -- so he should help the Jays in that regard.

Rolen's former St. Louis buddy, David Eckstein, recently signed a one-year deal to play shortstop for Toronto, so the Jays won't have to spend much time building synergy on the left side in spring training.

And although the three years and $33 million left on Rolen's contract scared off some clubs, the commitment fits right in with Toronto general manager J.P. Ricciardi's timetable. The Blue Jays are built to win over the next three seasons, with Vernon Wells, Roy Halladay, Alex Rios, Lyle Overbay and B.J. Ryan all tied up contractually through 2010 or beyond, and now the team won't have to fill a potentially gaping hole at third base.

Glaus, who hit 58 homers in two seasons with Toronto, is under contract for $12.75 million this year with an $11.5 million player option for 2009. But the Blue Jays had legitimate reason to wonder if Glaus might pass on the option and leave town next winter. Glaus has foot problems that necessitated surgery in September, and the combination of plantar fasciitis and the artificial turf in Toronto was kind of scary.

[+] Enlarge
Troy Glaus

Howard Smith-US PRESSWIRE

Troy Glaus, 31, hit 20 home runs in 115 games last season for Toronto.
The Blue Jays don't have a third baseman in the pipeline, and next winter's free-agent crop consists of Joe Crede, Casey Blake and not much else. Once the Rolen trade goes through, Ricciardi won't have to worry about overpaying for Crede (and playing phone tag with Scott Boras) or combing through the bargain bin for a Plan B.

As for Glaus, it remains to be seen if the switch to natural grass will have the desired effect on his health. But Glaus did hit 37 homers in his last National League go-round with Arizona in 2005, so, if healthy, he provides a bona fide middle-of-the-order complement to Albert Pujols . The Cardinals have also signed Cesar Izturis to play shortstop, so they're better equipped to cope with Glaus' lack of range.

Given the medical histories, there's an inherent risk in the trade for both clubs. But the deal made enough sense all around for both Glaus and Rolen to waive their no-trade clauses. Now the only remaining obstacle is physical exams on Monday.

After that, presumably, Rolen will revel in the change of scenery. For all his reported problems with Larry Bowa in Philadelphia and La Russa in St. Louis, Rolen plays hard, sweats the details and burns to win. He also got along just fine with Terry Francona during his early years in Philly. If Rolen is finally over his shoulder trouble, a fresh start in a new country might be just what the doctor ordered.

Jerry Crasnick covers baseball for ESPN.com. His book "License To Deal" was published by Rodale. Click here to order a copy. Jerry can be reached via e-mail.

RedMagma

Posts : 3654
Join date : 2007-12-24

View user profile

Back to top Go down

Re: Huston Street's available?

Post  RedMagma on Sun Jan 13, 2008 3:37 am

I found what you were referring to about Paxton Crawford and Luis Perez.

Both are indeed players that have admitted use, and named their respective teams. I havent searched the Mitchell Report to verify whether their statement are in as evidence or not. The Marlins and the Red Sox are name in each statement as having "widespread use" in each club.

Luis was caught smuggling marijuana from Canada, and that is why he confessed to everything. He said he distributed steroids to each player on the Marlins team. And the players in question played for them between 1998 and 2001. And Josh Beckett plus Mike Lowell were on that team.

Paxton Crawford was a pitcher from Pawtucket, who was bumped to the majors in 2001. He did say that it was "everywhere" and that he was offered HGH by anohter "un-named player." Also, he said that he returned to his locker and found steroids and a syringe, but "didnt know who had placed them there."

These are the links for each article with quotes from each player.

Paxton http://www.boston.com/sports/baseball/redsox/extras/extra_bases/2006/06/crawford_comes_1.html



Luis

http://www.miamiherald.com/591/story/344322.html



Swiftyread,

Why do you think that they were not investigated, and as you say "offered immunity?"

Where did that thread go about these facts anyhow?

RedMagma

Posts : 3654
Join date : 2007-12-24

View user profile

Back to top Go down

Re: Huston Street's available?

Post  RedMagma on Sun Jan 13, 2008 3:38 am

I wonder if McNamee also taped the phone conversation. Information about a tape was leaked to NY Newsday before Clemens' attorneys came public with it. No one on Clemens' side leaked the tape info, so who did?



Doesn't Hardin have two ex police officers too that are now PI's?

It doesn't make sense that McNamee would tape this out of the blue. And what do you think the emails had in them?

Okay Swiftyread,

Tin has a good point. Why would you believe Crawford and Perz, but not McNamee?

I understand why you think McNamee might lie, but why wouldn't Crawford? Because he is a player? And not in baseball anymore? I know Perez had dirt on him, caught smuggling 10 lbs of pot is not that good for the future. Isn't that the same as McNamee though, having the rape case in his past?


I searched yahoo and found this.

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/01/12/sports/baseball/12clemens.html?_r=1&oref=slogin

It's about an infected abssess McNamee said Roger got in TOR. TOR players, and Doctor deny McNamee's accusation. They even have an anti - doping expert sayinf steroids would most likely cause an infection given the depth of the injection. However, McNamee is not lisenced to inject or administer meds. So that is contestable. McNamee also, according to ESPN.com, lied about being a Doctor.

The paragraph with the dates are in the article. This is too confusing.

RedMagma

Posts : 3654
Join date : 2007-12-24

View user profile

Back to top Go down

Re: Huston Street's available?

Post  RedMagma on Sun Jan 13, 2008 3:39 am

Rolen for glaus FOX SPORTS
deothekid Post #1: Jan 12, 1:07 pm Quote | Report Violation
Total Posts: 117
http://msn.foxsports.com/mlb/story/7665630
bluejaysrule14 Post #2: Jan 12, 2:39 pm Quote | Report Violation
Total Posts: 62
I like this deal and hope it happens. I think it would benefit both players and both teams. Glaus is the better power hitter but Rolen is the better all around hitter. Plus, Rolen is a little faster than Glaus and maybe wouldn't clog up the base baths as much. If I'm not mistaken, Rolen has also won a few gold gloves at 3rd as well. Assuming Rolen will be fully recovered from his shoulder surgery, I don't see any reason not to do this deal.
bluejaysrule14 Post #3: Jan 12, 2:44 pm Quote | Report Violation
Total Posts: 62


Here is another link with a few more details about each player. They are very similar offensively, but Rolen is by far the superior defender:

http://toronto.bluejays.mlb.com/news/article.jsp?ymd=20080112&content_id=2344452&vkey=news_tor&fext=.jsp&c_id=tor
dalindsay24 Post #4: Jan 12, 2:50 pm Quote | Report Violation
Total Posts: 386
This is quite interesting.

As long as Rolen is completely healthy I kinda like the deal. Even though we are giving up some power, but I do prefer Rolen's defense. I think it kinda depends on the rest of the team, if Wells and Overbay have bounce back years with their offense, I could really like this. I am quite surprised, but it does seem to makes sense for both teams and both players so.
sorabji_66 Post #5: Jan 12, 4:43 pm Quote | Report Violation
Total Posts: 5783


I like this deal and hope it happens. I think it would benefit both players and both teams. Glaus is the better power hitter but Rolen is the better all around hitter. Plus, Rolen is a little faster than Glaus and maybe wouldn't clog up the base baths as much. If I'm not mistaken, Rolen has also won a few gold gloves at 3rd as well. Assuming Rolen will be fully recovered from his shoulder surgery, I don't see any reason not to do this deal.


You mean this is a complete theft for the Jays.

Yeah, this sounds great.

What's the catch though???



Timlight Post #6: Jan 12, 5:00 pm Quote | Report Violation
Total Posts: 2159


I like this deal and hope it happens. I think it would benefit both players and both teams. Glaus is the better power hitter but Rolen is the better all around hitter. Plus, Rolen is a little faster than Glaus and maybe wouldn't clog up the base baths as much. If I'm not mistaken, Rolen has also won a few gold gloves at 3rd as well. Assuming Rolen will be fully recovered from his shoulder surgery, I don't see any reason not to do this deal.


You mean this is a complete theft for the Jays.

Yeah, this sounds great.

What's the catch though???




I was thinking the same thing...how often to you see a 1x1 deal.

sorabji_66 Post #7: Jan 12, 5:36 pm Quote | Report Violation
Total Posts: 5783


I like this deal and hope it happens. I think it would benefit both players and both teams. Glaus is the better power hitter but Rolen is the better all around hitter. Plus, Rolen is a little faster than Glaus and maybe wouldn't clog up the base baths as much. If I'm not mistaken, Rolen has also won a few gold gloves at 3rd as well. Assuming Rolen will be fully recovered from his shoulder surgery, I don't see any reason not to do this deal.


You mean this is a complete theft for the Jays.

Yeah, this sounds great.

What's the catch though???




I was thinking the same thing...how often to you see a 1x1 deal.



We need a bit of a break since our Wells/Sirotka blunder.

3rd-party fan analysis isn't that much concerned. My favourite comment is this is like the JR RIder/Steve Smith trades of the past....

mccallnfld Post #8: Jan 12, 6:36 pm Quote | Report Violation
Total Posts: 35


there`s cash involved


JaysOwnAll Post #9: Jan 12, 6:42 pm Quote | Report Violation
Total Posts: 2103
I thought Glaus said he was only interested in waiving his NTC to go to a left-coast team. Very interesting....
quincybluedevil2002 Post #10: Jan 12, 7:11 pm Quote | Report Violation
Total Posts: 1
This is a horrible, horrible trade for Toronto. Rolen is not the player he was. He's a cancer in the clubhouse. Every St. Louis Cardinal fan I know (and I know a lot, given I live in prime Cardinal area) is overjoyed that Rolen is on his way out.

Not only this, but now we have to endure the infield of Eckstein and Rolen. Having watched the Cardinals for many years...this thought should not bring joy to the hearts of Jays fans.

JP Ricciardi is doing everything he can to make sure this team does not go to the postseason this year.
deothekid Post #11: Jan 12, 7:36 pm Quote | Report Violation
Total Posts: 117


You mean this is a complete theft for the Jays.

Yeah, this sounds great.

What's the catch though???\\





How is this a steal in any way. Rolen is a china doll who is nowhere near the player he once was. He also has 3 years left on a contract that seems him pulling in 33 mil. Not to mention the lingering shoulder problems that he has.
TDotttt2005 Post #12: Jan 12, 7:38 pm Quote | Report Violation
Total Posts: 715


Quincy, gotta disagree with you here. Sht this is a good trade for the Jays. I would say the caveat is that Rolen is healthy, but theyre both players coming off injuries, so if thats a wash, and we assume both players will be healthy...Rolen can play some D, which Glaus could not, and He's an overall better hitter. Put him in the AL, and his power numbers go up. Add that to his career .280 average, he puts us way ahead of the curve than if we kept glaus, and his .250 average and shoddy D.

Like the left side of the infield, with Rolen and Eckstein. Dont know why you said we'd have to endure it. Id rather endure that anyday than seeing Mac being an automatic out, and Glaus limping around letting ball after ball get past him.

Steal for the jays. Dont say it often, and he doesnt deserve it often, but Good Job JP.
TDotttt2005 Post #13: Jan 12, 8:13 pm Quote | Report Violation
Total Posts: 715


Rolen is a china doll who is nowhere near the player he once was. He also has 3 years left on a contract that seems him pulling in 33 mil. Not to mention the lingering shoulder problems that he has

and Glaus is what? a China doll who is nowhere the player he once was. Not to mention the lingering heal problems he has. Jays actually save money in '08, and Glaus has a player option for 11.25mil in '09 that he would most likely exercise. So contract wise, its Glaus 2 yrs @ 12mil per, Rolen for 3 years @12 mil per. We lose some flexibility there, but i'd rather take that chance with a 7time allstar, 5time gold glover for an extra year at 12 mil, than i would with glaus.

You have to go into this deal saying health is a wash. Both are coming off injuries. Then you look at who is the better all around player. Its Rolen. You look at salaries, its basically a wash. The details on cash changing hands isnt out yet, but assuming jays arent paying a huge sum, Its basically a wash, with the jays saving about a mil in '08, but having to pay Rolen for an extra year. Even that could be a positive, if he's performing well at age 35 and being paid 12M, which could be a bargain...point is, we dont know if that extra year is a positive or negative, so contract wise, the deal is a wash.

I'll agree with the opinion that this deal is either a wash altogether or the Jays win it outright, but in now way is this a bad deal for Toronto.
sorabji_66 Post #14: Jan 12, 8:31 pm Quote | Report Violation
Total Posts: 5783


You mean this is a complete theft for the Jays.

Yeah, this sounds great.

What's the catch though???\\





How is this a steal in any way. Rolen is a china doll who is nowhere near the player he once was. He also has 3 years left on a contract that seems him pulling in 33 mil. Not to mention the lingering shoulder problems that he has.


I can't believe some team would take this egregiously paid load off our hands.

I'll miss watching routine grounders 2 feet away off his stance get turned into doubles because he can't do anything at the hot corner. He wouldn't or couldn't bother moving at all out there.

The Mitchell Report must have been the final straw.

Good riddance!

But again, after Sirotka, where's the attached string for the Jays? Are we going to examine him physically this time around?

BuschIII Post #15: Jan 12, 10:45 pm Quote | Report Violation
Total Posts: 24


This is a horrible, horrible trade for Toronto. Rolen is not the player he was. He's a cancer in the clubhouse. Every St. Louis Cardinal fan I know (and I know a lot, given I live in prime Cardinal area) is overjoyed that Rolen is on his way out.

Not only this, but now we have to endure the infield of Eckstein and Rolen. Having watched the Cardinals for many years...this thought should not bring joy to the hearts of Jays fans.

JP Ricciardi is doing everything he can to make sure this team does not go to the postseason this year.





If Rolen is healthy, you will see some absolutely spectacular plays like you've never seen a third baseman ever make. And if you like gamers,

you'll like Rolen. The Cards loss is your gain. Well done by your GM.



callipygian_delight Post #16: Jan 12, 11:51 pm Quote | Report Violation
Total Posts: 101
Uggh...In 2010, this guy is going to be a very expensive, moody bench player. That's assuming that his shoulder hasn't fallen off by then.
turntwo609 Post #17: Jan 12, 7:57 pm Quote | Report Violation
Total Posts: 12
your way up on d-fence but way down on the bat

RedMagma

Posts : 3654
Join date : 2007-12-24

View user profile

Back to top Go down

Re: Huston Street's available?

Post  RedMagma on Sun Jan 13, 2008 3:41 am

New Lineup- Toronto BlueJays Lineup

I'd like to see

Eckstein SS, Johnson LF, Rolen 3B, Wells CF, Rios RF, Thomas DH, Overbay 1B, Hill 2B, Zaun C

If we could get an upgrade at C, to at least split the C duties 50/50 with Zaun, i think we may be able to do something. Posado, Veritek, Zaun...which one doesnt belong here? JP addressed the SS void, now if he can acquire a half decent C (Benjie Molina, anyone?) we could challenge.



canguy20m Post #2: Jan 12, 11:18 pm Quote | Report Violation
Total Posts: 210


if Rios gets better and thomas/rolen stay healthy looks like a great team.
theinfamous07 Post #3: 2:43 am Quote | Report Violation
Total Posts: 21
doesn't matter if they look like a great team, they will still finish 3rd.

RedMagma

Posts : 3654
Join date : 2007-12-24

View user profile

Back to top Go down

Re: Huston Street's available?

Post  RedMagma on Sun Jan 13, 2008 3:43 am

Rangers may get date at Yankee Stadium

http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/hockey/rangers/2008/01/13/2008-01-13_rangers_may_get_date_at_yankee_stadium-4.html

The NHL is working with the Yankees' high command and representatives of the city to try to play a game at Yankee Stadium next winter. While there are plenty of logistical hurdles to clear, the principals are interested.

"We'd love to do it," said Rangers GM Glen Sather, who is always up for a new hockey adventure.

Obviously, the NHL feels the same way. The Yankees might figure to be a bit hesitant about having the final pro sporting event at the old Stadium be a hockey game. But sources familiar with the discussions insist that the Bombers' brass is into it, with COO Lonn Trost serving as the Yankees' point man in discussions with the NHL.

The league has gotten rave reviews for its outdoor-game movement, especially with this season's New Year's Day contest in Buffalo that was played in the snow in front of more than 70,000 fans.

The Islanders have made it clear that they want in as well, sending front-office delegations to meet with Trost and Yankee Stadium personnel no fewer than half-a-dozen times over the last 18 months.

But the Isles are fearful that the Devils, who currently have more juice at the league level, will muscle in on the event. However, Devils sources insist they have not pursued this.

It also should be noted that the success of the most-recent outdoor game Jan. 1 in Buffalo has prompted seven other teams to contact the NHL to express their interest in hosting an outdoor game. The Bruins playing in Fenway Park has already gotten some buzz.

If a Stadium game happens, the 2008-09 season will be an eventful one for the Rangers. Plans to have them open the season with two games against the Tampa Bay Lightning in Prague are all but finalized and will be announced at All-Star Weekend Jan. 26-27 in Atlanta. The NHL also expects to have the Ottawa Senators and Pittsburgh Penguins open with two games in Stockholm.

Contrary to other reports, there are no plans to have the teams swap sites

RedMagma

Posts : 3654
Join date : 2007-12-24

View user profile

Back to top Go down

Re: Huston Street's available?

Post  RedMagma on Sun Jan 13, 2008 3:47 am

(Page 2 of 2)

Rozsival's two-year, $4.2-million contract expires at season's end. And while there already has been a lot made about Sather having to negotiate new deals for franchise goaltender Henrik Lundqvist and catalyzing winger Sean Avery to preclude them from free agency, the Rangers don't want Rozsival hitting the open market as an unrestricted free agent come July 1.

So far, there have been no discussions of substance between Sather and Rozsival's agent, Rich Winter.

"As far as I know, nothing serious has happened," Rozsival said. "But I think it's too early right now. I think we should just focus in on our game right now and not worry about things we can take care of later."

Easy for Rozsival to say. While he certainly has played better defensively in his two previous seasons as a Ranger - when he was a combined plus-45 compared with this season's minus-2 - Rozsival is compiling the kind of offensive numbers that are sure to attract suitors should he become a free agent.

Going into Saturday night's Garden game against Montreal, Rozsival already had eclipsed his career high with 11 goals, ranked 10th in the NHL in scoring among defensemen and was on pace for a career-best 51 points.

Rozsival logs a team-high 24:27 per game by manning the point of the power play as well as killing penalties in addition to his first-pair role at even strength. And it isn't much of a stretch to believe, having just turned 29, he could double the $2.3 million he's making this season if he hits the open market.

"We all would like him to shoot the puck more and be proactive that way," Rangers coach Tom Renney said. "But you know, he's got 11 goals. He's putting up numbers. He plays big minutes. He gets run at a lot because people know how important he is. And he's a resilient man."

On thin ice? Not Renney

While much of the fans' ire about the underachieving Rangers understandably focuses on the head coach, it should be noted that Renney is under contract through next season as part of an extension he signed following the 2005-06 season.

Throw that into a mix that includes an ultra-patient owner and a two-year record that includes transforming a laughingstock into a playoff team and then orchestrating a second-half drive to within 7.7 seconds of a 3-2 lead in the Eastern Conference semis and it makes little sense to believe Renney's seat is getting warm.

Drury's star power

Chris Drury might be dissatisfied with his work as a Ranger so far, but his fans have no such qualms.

In the final fan balloting for the NHL All-Star Team, Drury was the top vote-getter among Rangers skaters, ranking 10th among Eastern Conference forwards with 92,337 votes. Only goaltender Lundqvist polled higher, receiving 175,350 votes to finish second to East starter Martin Brodeur.

What's more, Drury's Rangers jersey was the fourth best-seller in the month of January via shop.nhl.com. Sidney Crosby, Alexander Ovechkin and Daniel Briere were the only players whose jerseys sold better. Lundqvist's Rangers jersey was the 10th best seller.

RedMagma

Posts : 3654
Join date : 2007-12-24

View user profile

Back to top Go down

Re: Huston Street's available?

Post  RedMagma on Sun Jan 13, 2008 3:51 am

IT'S ABOUT TIME!


http://www.nypost.com/seven/01132008/sports/rangers/its_about_time__905508.htm

RANGERS SNAP SKID AT 5
By LARRY BROOKS
PrintEmailDigg ItRedditPermalinkStory Bottom

January 13, 2008 -- This was one for the team's psyche and this was one for Henrik Lundqvist's psyche, which, come to think of it, are pretty much one and the same for the Rangers.

This was one in which a commitment to sustaining a second-effort work ethic over 60 minutes paid off in a 4-1 victory over the Canadiens at the Garden that ended the Blueshirts New York Rangers five-game losing streak (0-4-1), and at least for the moment restored a sense of equilibrium to a team that has been knocked off balance.

"Like I said the other night [after losing 6-2 to the Flyers], the problems with my game haven't been technical, they've been mainly about focus," said Lundqvist, whose goals-against had soared from 1.82 to 2.41 over the course of his previous 14 starts.

"That's what happens to a team that's struggling, and a lot of that starts with the goaltending.

"I have to be sharp and I have to be focused all of the time. I was more aggressive in this game. I played more on my toes."

If The King was on his toes, so were his teammates, who were relentless in their puck pursuit and puck support.

Indeed, the only times the Rangers found themselves in trouble was when they found themselves on the penalty-kill - which they were eight times for 11:46, including two distinct five-on-three disadvantages in the second for a sum of 2:44.

Unlike Thursday, when the Rangers' first-period 2-0 edge on the Flyers began to slip away when Philly scored an early second-period five-on-three, the Blueshirts killed both two-man disadvantages last night.

The first (1:03 duration) came early in the period with the Rangers up 2-0 on goals from Chris Drury Chris Drury and Martin Straka Martin Straka ; the second (1:41) after Petr Prucha had extended the lead to 3-0.

Drury and Blair Betts alternated as the forwards on the kills while Marek Malik, restored to the lineup as Michal Rozsival's partner, was on for 2:29 of the combined 2:44 working with both Rozsival and Dan Girardi.

"I thought [Malik] was good and played with the poise he normally does," said coach Tom Renney.

"He competed as he needs to, and I think with our team, under the circumstances that we put ourselves in, he handled it like a guy who's been in the league a long time."

*

Speaking of which, Don Meehan, the agent for Curtis Joseph, told The Post that Ranger GM Glen Sather has inquired about the 40-year-old unsigned free-agent goaltender.

Meehan met with the GM here yesterday to begin work on contract extensions for both Lundqvist and Dan Girardi.

"Glen asked about Curtis, but I'm not certain that he's prepared to move on anything at this moment," Meehan said during the first intermission.

"I'm not sure with Curtis' timetable that there's a lot of time, though, if they are interested in moving forward."

Joseph, who led Canada to the championship of the international Spengler Cup tournament late last month and who played three seasons for Sather's Oilers in the mid-'90s, is being aggressively pursued by Calgary.

The Blueshirts' interest in Cujo - to whatever degree it exists - is not a commentary on Lundqvist's recent issues. Rather, it reflects interest in bolstering the back-up role that's been held by Steve Valiquette since last February.

"I'm quite sure Henrik would see that as an attempt to strengthen the team, not as an indication of lack of faith in him," Meehan said.

"He is not insecure."

Rangers 4 Canadiens 1

larry.brooks@nypost.com

RedMagma

Posts : 3654
Join date : 2007-12-24

View user profile

Back to top Go down

Re: Huston Street's available?

Post  RedMagma on Sun Jan 13, 2008 3:52 am

Oakland wants young controllable guys. We have plenty of youth to trade. You have to trade talent to get talent. Jackson/ Tabata / tons of B+ pitching. Karstens did well over in Korea. I would like to see him moved while his value is high, maybe he can show good stuff in ST and we can get something done with him

RedMagma

Posts : 3654
Join date : 2007-12-24

View user profile

Back to top Go down

Re: Huston Street's available?

Post  RedMagma on Sun Jan 13, 2008 3:55 am

Meet the next Met: Santana?

http://www.boston.com/sports/baseball/articles/2008/01/13/no_roid_rage_in_clubhouses/?page=4

Two general managers told me they believe the Mets are the front-runners for Johan Santana. The reason? They need him most. Mets GM Omar Minaya has to make a big splash, much as he did when he brought in Pedro Martínez, to make New York fans forget the horrible ending to last season. Pitcher Deolis Guerra

and outfielders Carlos Gomez and Fernando Martinez are the names most often mentioned as trade possibilities for Santana. Of course, both GMs also pointed out that the Yankees or Red Sox are only a phone call away from getting it done.

RedMagma

Posts : 3654
Join date : 2007-12-24

View user profile

Back to top Go down

Re: Huston Street's available?

Post  RedMagma on Sun Jan 13, 2008 3:58 am

jaguard defense just awfull did they got to practice
pedrounhitable12 Post #1: Jan 12, 10:17 pm Quote | Report Violation
Total Posts: 110


were they celebrating all week for making the playoff. embarrased on national television.
JT_DA_MAN Post #2: Jan 12, 10:20 pm Quote | Report Violation
Total Posts: 4364
Awful gameplan. They're content to let the Pats go on 12 play, 6 minute drives getting 6-7 yards a clip. End result = 28 points in 3 quarters, NO turnover and NO punts
jetsfansuperbowl3 Post #3: Jan 12, 10:21 pm Quote | Report Violation
Total Posts: 2962
actually, they've held quite possibly the greatest offense in history to 28 points. just sayin.....
mactyler2 Post #4: Jan 12, 10:57 pm Quote | Report Violation
Total Posts: 419
They held them to 28 points because they sat deep all day. Thats why they had long drives...thats why moss was ineffective..thats why it was 6-7 yards a pop and not 30-40. They played with 3 Dlinemen which I thought was dumb, they shouldve known you cant give Brady time. I was expecting them to do what they did in the first half, and then at some point come out with heavy blitzes like baltimore did. Instead, they rushed 3 all day long.
jetsfansuperbowl3 Post #5: Jan 12, 11:04 pm Quote | Report Violation
Total Posts: 2962


They held them to 28 points because they sat deep all day. Thats why they had long drives...thats why moss was ineffective..thats why it was 6-7 yards a pop and not 30-40. They played with 3 Dlinemen which I thought was dumb, they shouldve known you cant give Brady time. I was expecting them to do what they did in the first half, and then at some point come out with heavy blitzes like baltimore did. Instead, they rushed 3 all day long.

i was just playing devil's advocate.

scippo Post #6: Jan 12, 11:47 pm Quote | Report Violation
Total Posts: 517
Like they said on ESPN pick your death. Long and painful like the the Jags did tonight or Quick. I would have preferred to see them pick a quick death. Watching Welker open all game long underneath was getting a little too predictable. Like said before no way Brady makes mistakes if he's giving all day to pass. Bottom line is you have to pressure him and hope for a couple of turnovers, sacks and pressures.

RedMagma

Posts : 3654
Join date : 2007-12-24

View user profile

Back to top Go down

Re: Huston Street's available?

Post  RedMagma on Sun Jan 13, 2008 3:59 am

Umenyiora and Ware's friendship, competitiveness in playoff spotlight
Garber



http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/playoffs07/columns/story?columnist=garber_greg&id=3193450

By Greg Garber
ESPN.com
(Archive)

Updated: January 12, 2008

* Comment
* Email
* Print

Osi Umenyiora and DeMarcus Ware

Dilip Vishwanat/Scott Boehm/Getty Images

Every QB's nightmare: Osi Umenyiora rushing from one side, DeMarcus Ware the other. The former high school and Troy University teammates are rivals in the Giants-Cowboys NFC playoff game Sunday.

IRVING, Texas -- On Sunday afternoon, they will cross the field at Texas Stadium and, with great emotion, hug each other. And then, as is their custom, New York Giants lineman Osi Umenyiora and his Dallas Cowboys counterpart DeMarcus Ware will engage in small talk as they leisurely stretch.

"We'll laugh [about] how we can't believe we are here," Umenyiora said Wednesday at Giants Stadium. "If you see where we came from and the paths we took to get here, for us to both be known as some of the most feared pass-rushers in the league right now, coming from that is stupid when you think about it."

A few hours later, Umenyiora and Ware each will attempt to destroy, respectively, Tony Romo and Eli Manning.

Friends, foes on "Countdown"
ESPN.com's Greg Garber profiles the friendship between two of the NFL's best pass-rushers, the Giants' Osi Umenyiora and the Cowboys' DeMarcus Ware, on "Sunday NFL Countdown," 11 a.m. ET, ESPN.

The two played together in high school and college in Alabama for a total of four seasons, but this will be only the seventh time the Cowboys' Ware and the Giants' Umenyiora have opposed each other. With a berth in the NFC Championship Game on the line, this is the most important game of their lives.

"I see him playing for a different team, but I know he is supporting his family and he's doing what he needs to do," Umenyiora said of Ware. "I am just happy for him right now. Whenever I see him make a play -- even when it is against us -- it's 'That was a good play, DeMarcus.' I just wish he hadn't done it against us."

The symmetry is, well, it's amazing, really.

Umenyiora is 26 years old and is 6-foot-3, 261 pounds. He was a second-round draft choice of the Giants in 2003 and, as a defensive end, has produced 41½ sacks in 72 career games. Umenyiora was fifth in the NFL this season, with 13, including six against Philadelphia on Sept. 30.

Ware is 25 and, at 6-4, 252, slightly faster and leaner. He was a first-round choice of the Dallas Cowboys in 2005 (No. 11 overall), and credits that to Umenyiora's earlier success. Ware plays outside linebacker and has recorded 33.5 sacks in 48 games. He was third among the NFL's leading sackers, with 14.

I remember there was a girl I had a huge crush on, Contessa Franklin. We used to sit back there and talk about her.

--Giants DL Osi Umenyiora, recalling riding the bus with high school teammate DeMarcus Ware, now with the Cowboys

Earlier this season, they were both voted to play in their second Pro Bowl. Hard to believe they rode the same yellow bus to Auburn (Ala.) High School.

"In high school, he was a big guy, like 290, 300 pounds," Ware said on Friday at the Cowboys' Valley Ranch headquarters. "He was playing defensive tackle, sitting right there beside me, so we couldn't hardly sit in the seat together."

Said Umenyiora, "I remember there was a girl I had a huge crush on, Contessa Franklin. We used to sit back there and talk about her."

Umenyiora took the more exotic route. He was born in London and moved to Nigeria when he was seven. Seven years later, seeking a better education, he joined his sister in Alabama. Even though Umenyiora is only eight months older than Ware, he was several grades ahead; he was an advanced student and graduated from high school at 16.

It wasn't until his junior year that Umenyiora tried football. He was a natural on defense, but Ware, a native of Alabama and a freshman, played wide receiver and weighed less than 200 pounds. Umenyiora concedes that they were not very good players at the outset, kind of awkward, he said.

[Umenyiora said:] 'You need to pick him up, he is my boy. I will take him under my wing, and he will be a great pass-rusher.' I got a scholarship down there, and it could have been because of him.

--DeMarcus Ware, crediting Osi Umenyiora with his recruitment by Troy University

Naturally, they both saw themselves playing for Auburn, the local college powerhouse. That didn't happen, though, and Umenyiora matriculated to the program at nearby Troy University, where he redshirted his first year. When Ware didn't get any major offers coming out of high school, Umenyiora said he talked the Troy University staff into bringing him in.

"He said, 'You know what? This guy is going to be a player,'" Ware said. "'You need to pick him up, he is my boy. I will take him under my wing, and he will be a great pass-rusher.' I got a scholarship down there, and it could have been because of him."

They finished with 52½ sacks between them and, when they played together for two seasons, it was a frightening sight for opposing quarterbacks. Their relationship has all the complex components of a brotherly bond. In one college game, when Umenyiora and Ware broke in from opposite sides and found themselves side by side, Umenyiora swept Ware aside and got credit for the sack. Ware was furious.

"Right before the ball was snapped, we would always look at each other and say, 'Who is going to get there first?'" Ware explained. "We would be coming around the corner and we were about to bang into each other and, all of a sudden, he steps up and gets the sack.

"Two or three times a year, he would get there a split-second faster before me and I would be 'Osi, I run faster than you, how can you get there before I do?' And he would say, 'I'm better. I'm better than you.'"

Osi Umenyiora
Umenyiora

Defensive End
New York Giants

Profile
2007 Season Stats Tot Solo Ast FF Sack Int
52 41 11 5 13 0

These days, the stakes are even higher.

After Umenyiora dropped six sacks on the Eagles, Ware was one of the first to call him.

"A lot of expletives, man," Umenyiora said, laughing. "I don't think he was extremely happy. But deep down inside, he was like, 'Oh, man, I have to go out there and try to get seven sacks.'

"That is just the way we are."

Said Ware, "I was like, 'Oh, man, I have one sack and he got six in one game. Now I'm behind."

Then he unabashedly asked Umenyiora the secret to beating the Eagles' offensive tackles.

Before the season, the two lethal pass-rushers made a wager. Provided they both made the Pro Bowl, the man with the fewer sacks would be treating in Hawaii. Officially, Ware was one better, but Umenyiora said it came on a technicality. Make that a conspiracy.

"I had 14 sacks this year, man, I really did," Umenyiora said. "But they took one away from me."

DeMarcus Ware
Ware

Linebacker
Dallas Cowboys

Profile
2007 Season Stats Tot Solo Ast FF Sack Int
84 60 24 4 14 0

Indeed, late in the second quarter of their teams' Nov. 11 game, Umenyiora sacked Romo, but according to the Cowboys, their quarterback was attempting to hand the ball off. Coach Wade Phillips sent a tape to the league office and, sure enough, the sack was expunged from Umenyiora's total.

Was Ware behind the change?

"The plot thickens," Umenyiora said, smiling. "If I had my money on it now, I would say it was definitely DeMarcus. Without question, it was DeMarcus."

Ware, also smiling, denied the allegation.

"That is false," he said. "I don't know about that.

"Tell him about the Green Bay game. I sacked Brett Favre, and they called me offside. They sent me a letter apologizing, saying that I wasn't offside. So that is 15 to his 14.

"I got it this year, baby!"

As a result, it will be Umenyiora who picks up the monstrous nightly checks at the Pro Bowl.

"It's payback time now," Ware said. "Being a bigger guy, he always tried to steal stuff off my plate, you know, stick his finger in my biscuit and say, 'Do you want that?' It's little brother getting back at big brother now. He is going to have to buy a lot of food."

"I am definitely the better pass-rusher -- without question," Umenyiora said. "He gets to rush from the open side. They blitz him all the time. I've got to take on an offensive lineman every play. You guys give him too much credit. He's not that good at football.

"Whenever I see him do something, make a play, I always feel like I have to make one better. I still feel like he is the younger one and I am still the mentor, no matter what he does."

"I think [it's] because I looked up to him so much," Ware said. "If I had questions about football, about finances, I would come to him and talk about it. He was that figure I looked up to in high school and college, so he had to keep high standards."

They talk almost every week, usually technical stuff about the common opponents they face.

"I tell him a little something, but not the full package," Umenyiora said. "Whenever he does something good, I am happy. In the locker room, even when we are watching tape on him, I am bragging about him all the time. They are calling him my girlfriend. I mean, they are saying all kinds of things in that locker room because I am bragging about him.

"I am just so proud of him."

2007's NFL Sack Leaders

Rush Hour
Rank Player Team Sacks
1 Jared Allen Kansas City 15.5
2 Patrick Kerney Seattle 14.5
T3 DeMarcus Ware Dallas 14.0
T3 Mario Williams Houston 14.0
5 Osi Umenyiora N.Y. Giants 13.0

Greg Garber is a senior writer for ESPN.com.

RedMagma

Posts : 3654
Join date : 2007-12-24

View user profile

Back to top Go down

Re: Huston Street's available?

Post  RedMagma on Sun Jan 13, 2008 4:01 am

Source: Pats college scouting director Dimitroff set to take over as Falcons GM


http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=3193496

By Chris Mortensen and Len Pasquarelli
ESPN.com

Updated: January 12, 2008, 6:54 PM ET

* Comment
* Email
* Print

FOXBOROUGH, Mass. -- Tapping into the wealth of talent in the New England personnel department, the Atlanta Falcons on Saturday night reached an agreement with Patriots director of college scouting Thomas Dimitroff to be the team's new general manager.

Falcons officials on Saturday informed the five other candidates for the position of their decision. Details of Dimitroff's contract, which is not yet signed, were not available.

A New England team official confirmed for ESPN.com before Saturday night's divisional-round playoff game against Jacksonville that Dimitroff has accepted the job. He will face a daunting task in rebuilding a threadbare roster and in helping to make viable again a franchise that this season drifted into irrelevance on the Atlanta sports scene.

Dimitroff is expected to have considerable input into the Falcons' next head coach and sources said he has already offered some analysis to team officials in that regard. With the general manager spot filled, the Falcons could move relatively quickly to name a head coach to succeed Bobby Petrino, who resigned with three games remaining in his first NFL season.

An 18-year veteran in the league, Dimitroff has been with the Patriots for six years. He joined the franchise in 2002 as a national scout and then was named director of college scouting a year later.

Before joining the Pats' personnel department, Dimitroff worked nine seasons in the scouting departments of the Kansas City Chiefs, Detroit Lions and Cleveland Browns.

He also worked in the CFL and the World League.

Dimitroff replaces Rich McKay, who served as president and general manager but had the latter title removed by owner Arthur Blank three weeks ago. McKay has remained with the Falcons as team president and recently signed a two-year contract extension through 2010.

Chris Mortensen is an NFL reporter for ESPN. Len Pasquarelli is a senior writer with ESPN.com

RedMagma

Posts : 3654
Join date : 2007-12-24

View user profile

Back to top Go down

Re: Huston Street's available?

Post  RedMagma on Sun Jan 13, 2008 4:04 am

Read full story

Sort comments by: Most Recent | First Posted
0 / 1500
Cancel
Member comments together with Member Names may be used on TV and other ESPN media platforms.

* Comments (1-42)
o
j23frange
j23frange (3 hours ago)
Report Violation | Ignore User
It really doesn't matter what "talent pool" you take from.....The guy is just a cog in the Belichick/Pioli machine....Teams have taken our coordinators (Weis, Crennel, Mangini), our star players (Law, Milloy, Mcginnist, Jones, Woody, etc) and it just doesn't matter. Belichick and Pioli run the show and the help have the job titles. This is a special operation we are witnessing, and I'm glad to live in NE and be a Pats fan. I think the Falcons need somebody to make their own way in the league and not try to copy Belichick's system. If anything good came out of this hire, it could be that they finally have a guy who can evaluate talent. But that doesn't mean their new coach can groom and prepare players the way the Pats do. Sorry Hotlanta, but Vick killed you...
o
jplindemann
jplindemann (3 hours ago)
Report Violation | Ignore User

I like this move. If anybody wonders why the Patriots are so good, it's because they're one of the best-drafting teams in the league. Since Dimitroff has been with them (2002), here are some of their draft picks: Deion Branch (2002), Asante Samuel (2003), Vince Wilfork (2004), Logan Mankins (2005), Laurence Maroney (2006), Stephen Gostkowski (2006), and Brandon Meriweather (2007). Samuel, Wilfork, and Mankins are all Pro Bowlers. That's a pretty good track record, and as Director of College Scouting you have to think that Dimitroff had some hand in that. At the very least he was responsible for doing the research on college players.

I'm glad this worked out this way. I'm so sick of the Falcons franchise being a big-name, big-ego, "look at me" circus (Bill Parcells, Deion Sanders, DeAngelo Hall, Ray Buchanan). I want no-name, know-football guys. And no clowns like Jim Mora Jr. either. All I want is a smart GM who stays behind the scenes, a coach who is professional and respectable, and players who shut up and play football.
o
Yankee Benny
Yankee Benny (4 hours ago)
Report Violation | Ignore User
hmmm we will see how this [lays out, on paper it looks like a good move.. i still think they should of hired jimmy johnson as a GM, he drafts very very well, except for (john avery, yatil green (injured) cecil collins (nutcase) and karim abdul jabbar.. but anything is better trhan what they had..
o
AtlBraveFalconSince1986
AtlBraveFalconSince1986 (4 hours ago)
Report Violation | Ignore User

The red jerseys with black pants are some of the best in the NFL period! The road jerseys are nice as well.

The only ones I dislike are the black jerseys with black pants. That combination needs to go.

Great hire by my Falcons. Now Im very anxious to see who is head coach AND/OR runs the offense. We need a balanced offense here.

NFC South is ripe for the taking. This turnaround wont take nearly as long as you guys think.
o
yowhatupg69
yowhatupg69 (5 hours ago)
Report Violation | Ignore User
Four Fresh Tires that's easily the worst suggestion I have ever heard. The Falcons need to NOT hire Pete Carrol, forgot about the uniforms. I don't even see how that's relevant, especially considering that the Falcons have some of the best uniforms in the NFL.
o
aaaetc
aaaetc (5 hours ago)
Report Violation | Ignore User

Who knows if Dimitroff is the first step to turning around a disaster, but it certainly seems reasonable on the surface. Who did you think was going to take the job, Pioli?

Anyone have ideas about a coach now? Singletary, Garrett?
o
jimcentraldispatch
jimcentraldispatch (5 hours ago)
Report Violation | Ignore User
Heckert is so bad, even the Falcons don't want him.
o
Four_Fresh_Tires
Four_Fresh_Tires (6 hours ago)
Report Violation | Ignore User

Checklist:

1. Hire a new GM with talent.
2. Hire a new coach with talent.
3. Replace the team uniform.
4. Bring in players who understand what is expected and get rid of any who don't.

I especially think number 3 is necessary. If you are interested in turning the page away from the horrible mess that is presently the Atlanta Falcons, then get RID of the current uniform colors. Re-invent yourselves. The Braves did it when they got rid of the blue uniforms and went to the Milwaukee Braves style. The Hawks keep doing it and the current uni might be the ticket. Heck, even the Falcons have done it before during the Glanville era. It's okay to keep the symbols to save $$, but it is definitely time to get rid of all that screw-up bad boy black and get some colors we can get a fresh start with. Heed my advice.
o
23Witness
23Witness (6 hours ago)
Report Violation | Ignore User
So does Rich McKay have to step down as co-chairman of the powerful NFL competition committee since he know longer is a General Manager and the position is required to be filled by a General Manager? I'm sure they'll change the rules, just like real politics... just change rules as needed.
o
azillioncards
azillioncards (6 hours ago)
Report Violation | Ignore User
these are some of the pats draft picks since 2002. asante samuel, deion branch, laurence maroney, vince wilfork, ben watson, ellis hobbs, ty warren, jarvis green, logan mankins, etc. they have very few draft busts.
o
azillioncards
azillioncards (6 hours ago)
Report Violation | Ignore User
slawson most of their offensive line and d-line talent is draft picks, and thats why the patriots are successful. their trenches.
o
azillioncards
azillioncards (6 hours ago)
Report Violation | Ignore User
did they get pioli? did they get belichick? ok phew. sayonara.
o
RalphieMacchio
RalphieMacchio (7 hours ago)
Report Violation | Ignore User
I'd only hire this guy if he doesn't have a Boston accent. The last thing you'd want as an owner is to end up throwing a brick at your new GM because he talks like an invalid.
o
slawson79
slawson79 (8 hours ago)
Report Violation | Ignore User
Hey im not a pats fan so I know little about them but, arnt most of their players pick ups from other teams? So is a college scout from that kind of team really a big deal?
o
djkiley
djkiley (8 hours ago)
Report Violation | Ignore User
Who? Well maybe we found a diamond in the rough... Don't give me the whole "Brains of the opperation" crap either. We all know who runs the show in NE. I will concide that he probably learned more in the past six seasons than any other canidate the Falcons were interviewing. I know I'm in the minority but I've been wanting Singletary(as the HC). Maybe now we can get New Englands 12 year old OC! lol
o
themessss
themessss (8 hours ago)
Report Violation | Ignore User
Does he get to take the cameras with him???
o
525kennedy
525kennedy (10 hours ago)
Report Violation | Ignore User
As a USC fan, I say great hire!
o
DSnowman
DSnowman (10 hours ago)
Report Violation | Ignore User
Whoa...hockeysniper, slow down a bit. Instrumental maybe, but to say that they picked Pro-Bowlers at all those positions is ridiculous. I'm a huge Pats fan and the only one of those picks who has demonstrated Pro-Bowl talent is Samuel. Maybe the others will be someday, but they aren't hardly pro-bowl caliber yet...just good football players.
o
PatriotsGo19and0
PatriotsGo19and0 (10 hours ago)
Report Violation | Ignore User
Lets not act like Dimitroff is the brains behind the Patriots. The first and final say belongs to Belichick and Pioli.
o
hockeysniper87
hockeysniper87 (11 hours ago)
Report Violation | Ignore User

he's instrumental because he's been with the Patriots since 2002. here's who they have drafted since then (key players only)- Gostkowski (118th), Hobbs (84th), Maroney (21st), Meriweather (24th), Watson (32nd), Wilson (36th), Samuel (120th).

Basically, they got a Pro Bowl caliber Kicker, corner, returnman, running back, and TE with picks ranging from 21st to 120th. That's great drafting, and Dimitroff should bring this to the Falcons
o
Buitman777
Buitman777 (11 hours ago)
Report Violation | Ignore User
Good luck to him. He'll need it.
o
da_U_is_on_Fire
da_U_is_on_Fire (11 hours ago)
Report Violation | Ignore User
I heard this theory on another story. What if the Falcons draft McFadden and run either the triple option or the running spread with DJ Shockley as QB? They'd probably suck but it would be entertaining.
o
408pats
408pats (11 hours ago)
Report Violation | Ignore User
I hear ya chriswatts, those were some dark days!!!!! If you remember the patriots also went to the college ranks for a coach and that was a disaster!
o
chriswatts76
chriswatts76 (11 hours ago)
Report Violation | Ignore User
The Patriots were once that bad but it was 1990. Good luck Tom! Stay away from our guys.
o
chriswatts76
chriswatts76 (11 hours ago)
Report Violation | Ignore User
The Patriots were once that bad but it was 1990. Good luck Tom!
o
408pats
408pats (11 hours ago)
Report Violation | Ignore User
Green bay is tatooing the seahawks right now
o
408pats
408pats (12 hours ago)
Report Violation | Ignore User
I think your right about this closing the door on pete carroll coming to atlanta? If this guy has anything to say about it, there is no way he`s going in that direction! Not from the organization he just came from!
o
BUFFETLIKE
BUFFETLIKE (12 hours ago)
Report Violation | Ignore User

Great hire Mr. Blank, now lets sign Assistant head coach Jim Caldwell(colts) as our new Head Coach asap:-)
Now I feel comfortable nenewing my season tickets:-)

Guys Mr. Blank will read this tread:-)
o
hjj41584
hjj41584 (12 hours ago)
Report Violation | Ignore User
Probably closes the door on Pete Carroll to the Falcons ...
o
ksolo128
ksolo128 (12 hours ago)
Report Violation | Ignore User
Appears to be a good move by Blank. I feel bad for him. He seems like a good guy. I hope his team gets better.
o
match206
match206 (12 hours ago)
Report Violation | Ignore User
actually.come to k.c.
o
match206
match206 (12 hours ago)
Report Violation | Ignore User
good luck buddy
o
aaaetc
aaaetc (12 hours ago)
Report Violation | Ignore User

David, who would you have picked who was signable?

USC fans, you can now relax.
o
aaaetc
aaaetc (12 hours ago)
Report Violation | Ignore User
Hey guys, what does a GM do? How about evaluate personnel to make decisions about the draft and free agents, and negotiate contracts? McKay can still do the contract details, so Dimitroff can do exactly what he has been doing, and now with the final say.
o
BiiiiiiigBaaaaaabay
BiiiiiiigBaaaaaabay (12 hours ago)
Report Violation | Ignore User
I hope the haters have some theories on why the Pats will lose in the playoffs because of this.
o
aaaetc
aaaetc (12 hours ago)
Report Violation | Ignore User
Good move. If you're going to hire a GM, and it's not the Pats' or the Colts' current GM, then you might as well start with the Patriots' personnel department. Scouting & personnel evaluation is one of the areas where the Falcons have been lacking the most.
o
davidgshock
davidgshock (12 hours ago)
Report Violation | Ignore User
no idea who this dude is, but hes a scrub, dude has been on allot of teams saying he was instrumental on the pats is just stupid, why would he not do that with say the lions.....because BB and SP are not on the lion, they happen to be with the pats
o
408pats
408pats (12 hours ago)
Report Violation | Ignore User
The falcons just lucked out! Bad for the patriots! I can`t believe the falcons could actually make this smart of a move?
o
PatriotsGo19and0
PatriotsGo19and0 (12 hours ago)
Report Violation | Ignore User
How many directors of college scouting have you heard of? The Patriots now supply the league's coaching and front-office talent.
o
theghostshark
theghostshark (12 hours ago)
Report Violation | Ignore User
I've never heard of this guy. I hope he's qualified, and they didn't just grab him because he worked for the Pats.
o
MasterC210
MasterC210 (12 hours ago)
Report Violation | Ignore User
He'll just be replaced by someone else who can do the job. Easy breezy.
o
hockeysniper87
hockeysniper87 (13 hours ago)
Report Violation | Ignore User
This guy was instrumental in building the Undefeated Patriots. Great Hire.

RedMagma

Posts : 3654
Join date : 2007-12-24

View user profile

Back to top Go down

Re: Huston Street's available?

Post  RedMagma on Sun Jan 13, 2008 4:06 am

Clemens' lawyer hedging Congress' deposition request



http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/news/story?id=3194113

After saying repeatedly that Roger Clemens will answer any questions Congress wants to ask him, a source familiar with the inquiry said Saturday night that attorney Rusty Hardin is hedging over the House Oversight and Government Reform Committee's request to depose Clemens under oath next week because it might interfere with his defamation lawsuit against personal trainer Brian McNamee.

The source said Hardin is also making "noises" about not turning over a taped conversation between McNamee and two investigators for Hardin's office recorded Dec. 12, the day before the Mitchell report was released.

OTL: Man Behind The Curtain

Sunday on "Outside the Lines" (ESPN, 9:30 a.m. ET), ESPN's T.J. Quinn sits down with Roger Clemens' attorney, Rusty Hardin, to discuss the choices he and his client have made since the Mitchell report was released. Also, Earl Ward, lawyer for ex-trainer Brian McNamee, will make his first live national TV appearance. OTL

• Here's the full transcript of Quinn's interview with Hardin.

A segment of the tape was detailed in Clemens' complaint, describing McNamee as saying he was pressured into naming Clemens as a steroid user to federal investigators. Unlike the Jan. 5 phone conversation between Clemens and McNamee that was made public, however, Hardin has refused to release that tape and said it would come out in the discovery process of Clemens' lawsuit.

McNamee's lawyers said the Hardin's investigators tried to get McNamee to recant his story, a charge Hardin denies.

The source said that nothing has been decided and it's premature to say whether the committee will be forced to subpoena Clemens to testify before the committee. The source said all the issues will be raised Monday when Hardin meets with committee staffers in Washington, D.C., to discuss Clemens' cooperation.

Clemens, former Astros teammate Andy Pettitte and Houston-area resident Chuck Knoblauch have been asked to testify Feb. 13 before the congressional committee. The much-anticipated hearing was postponed from Jan. 16 so lawmakers can gather evidence and coordinate their investigation with the Justice Department.

Asked Saturday night whether Clemens will agree to a deposition or whether he will seek to limit the scope of committee investigators' questions, Hardin said in an e-mail response, "Great questions, and all appropriate things to discuss with the committee staff if they desire. We will be there to listen and address their concerns. The agenda is totally up to them."

Hardin's hesitation is the first hiccup in his no-holds-barred defense of Clemens. Hardin and Clemens have said categorically that Clemens never used steroids and that McNamee is lying. They filed a defamation lawsuit against Clemens' longtime trainer Jan. 6, but Hardin said at the time the lawsuit would not prevent Clemens from testifying before Congress in an open hearing.

T. J. Quinn is a reporter for ESPN and can be reached at tjquinn31@yahoo.com. Information from The Associated Press was used in this report.

RedMagma

Posts : 3654
Join date : 2007-12-24

View user profile

Back to top Go down

Re: Huston Street's available?

Post  RedMagma on Sun Jan 13, 2008 4:09 am

What if Derek Jeter was being falsely accused for taking steroids? Would anyone here believe it with no evidence or investigation? Everyone believes McNamee's story only because it's against an already hated player like Clemens and because Clemens name was leaked for being on the Grimsley report that had names blacked out. McNamee singles out Clemens as the only mlb player that he has ever injected with steroids. That can't be the truth no matter what.
HGH is not a steroid. That is all he accused Pettitte and Knoblauch of. That's hardly worth taking note of since it was before the HGH ban.

I watched AND listened to Hardin AND Clemens and my take on his comment about not caring about the HOF was this:

Clemens was putting the priority of his innocence ABOVE the HOF vote which cannot happen for 5 years after he is done playing.

His verbage about the hall was very strong but the importance of his innocence is exponentially more important than any HOF vote.

His MAIN priority is NOW not 5 years from now.

If anyone truly doesn't understand this let me point to where the short bus will pick you up.

Niekro, the bragging cheater who made it into the HOF, must really be stupid if he thought any different, which, apparently he did!! The short bus picked him up yesterday........... ......friggin' cheatin' clown............... ......grin


And just when we thought Rogeroid and Barroid could team up and win the Prison World Series. Would it suprise anyone, except Clemens' jockstrap huggers, if he plead the 5th or in this case his attorneys find a way so that he does NOT have to commit perjury, LOL?

Roger you are screwed. It would have been better for everyone if you would have just admitted it instead of all the crap you are pulling now. He is going to look like an #### in congress whether he uses the Mcguire or the Palmiero answers to their questions.

Innocent until proven guilty is a law that the legal system abides by. we as human beings can look at evidence and make rational judgements. I wonder if everybody who is saying that Clemens is innocent until proven guilty also beleives OJ didnt kill his ex-wife since OJ was never "proven" guilty.

Stan994...are you serious?? Im hardly a Clemans fan, but how do u sit there and say "it does nothing to speculate" then u type a paragraph SPECULATING that Clemens is lieing..im sure you like many others SPECULATE that he is lieing.. I on the other hand believe in this thing called "evidence" and innocent (not guilty) until proven guilty... while he might have done it so far the only evidence is a HE SAID SHE SAID..his word vs another....but nobody believes him cuz he has everything to lose.... espn is pathetic and so is that post

I never knew speculation was news these days. Why don't we wait to find out what happens before we start jumping to conclusions about what is going to happen.

Either way, Clemens is following every other cheaters ways by denying everything. We have all been down this trail before. He clearly doesn't know when to just keep his mouth shut. I don't respect any of the players that cheated, but I sure am more willing to be a fan of a player that is truthful in the beginning. Every day that Roger denies accusations he loses credibility by the fans and Hall of Fame voters. (By the way, him saying the HOF means nothing to him is basically spitting in the face of baseball and shows that Roger has always only been about making millions of dollars. That deserves an irreversible ban from all records, awards, etc.)

Until things happen, it does no good to speculate.



Why didnt congress, and Feds investigate Pats Rodney harrison and the nfl ??

RedMagma

Posts : 3654
Join date : 2007-12-24

View user profile

Back to top Go down

Re: Huston Street's available?

Post  RedMagma on Sun Jan 13, 2008 4:11 am

All according to plan... the minute it was reported that Clemens filed suit against McNamee you could see this coming... the lawsuit is unlikely to go anywhere, but in the meantime, Clemens will claim that he "can't comment due to pending litigation."

It's all part of his dog-and-pony show.


My only hope is that Andy Pettitte doesn't get dragged into all of this but I am afraid he will...Andy came out and told the truth and if he saw Clemens taking drugs well the beat goes on doesn't it.

Um something interesting to think about here though, He testifies in his purgery case he's still under oath and still bound to tell the truth under oath so he's shooting himself in the foot either way. Some state laws can be and are more severe than federal laws when it comes to purgery. Seems to me he should save his money and go to congress to prove himself unless he wants some cell mate to see the abscess while he's in the shower bending over to pick up the soap.


Clemens is getting desperate....and everybody was saying that it was the only reason that he filed that suit against McNamee so he doesnt have to go to congress...his lawyer is getting desperate also....tsk tsk. I believe McNamee more then Clemens.

I'm rooting for "Baseball is the new Hockey." All they have to do now is turn down a deal with the sports monopoly network and fade away on VS.

Hey, everybody knows Roger wasn’t on the juice. He never showed any signs of ‘roid rage. Now, if he had occasionally thrown at batters’ heads or maybe if he threw a bat at a baserunner or something, then maybe we’d have a case!

What a freaking, shocker. Notice the period at the end of that connoting I am not in the least bit shocked. and, I thought I hated baseball after the early nineties strike that made me (at 12 years old) think of them as money grubbing tools. Now I know they are money grubbing tools and more and more are turning out to be cheats too. I hope baseball dies.

ZB512 - (a "source" told me that Cal Ripken Jr. used PEDs)

I know you are being sarcastic, but why is it so hard to believe that a player who the media holds in the same regard that they use to hold the Great Roger Clemens* didn't use PEDs?
How do you think Cal Ripken Jr was able to break and extend his streak? His "greatness" was more of a product of the streak and the media portrayal of how he was a "great person", although how many of us has actually met the man?


wow, before Roidger filed suit, everyone on espn and foxsports were saying that one reason he will file suit is if Congress brings him in under oath he can claim not to answer because it would jeopardize his pending lawsuit!!!! NICE!! EVERYONE KNEW THIS WAS COMING.

THIS GUY IS GOING DOWN FAST. HE SHOULD HAVE JUST ADMITTED IT BUT NOW WOOOOOOWWWWW



Two problems with this. 1. he has already stated he was going to testify full knowing that his defamation lawsuit was going to be taking place at the same time. He said he was, his lawyer said he was to everyone on camera full knowing that they had just filed the suit. 2. Why wont the play this tape for us? What was the reason for playing the other one? Sounds to me there is something on there they dont want us to hear.

Sumodude: I hear you about the Innocent until proven guilty aspect but that is in the eyes of our legal system. Public opinion is very differnt. Guilty people are let go and get off and innocent people are proved guilty in a court of law. The public there is no "guilty" or "innocent" there is just opinion in which I see most people have the opinion Roidger is a big fat liar.

RedMagma

Posts : 3654
Join date : 2007-12-24

View user profile

Back to top Go down

Re: Huston Street's available?

Post  RedMagma on Sun Jan 13, 2008 4:13 am

Why didnt congress, and Feds investigate Pats Rodney harrison, Shawn Merriman and the nfl ?? Selig is the only commissioner that hire Senator Mitchell not Goodell

RedMagma

Posts : 3654
Join date : 2007-12-24

View user profile

Back to top Go down

Re: Huston Street's available?

Post  RedMagma on Sun Jan 13, 2008 4:14 am

Why didnt congress, and Feds investigate Pats Rodney harrison, Shawn Merriman and the Nfl ?? Selig is the only commissioner that hire Senator Mitchell not Goodell

RedMagma

Posts : 3654
Join date : 2007-12-24

View user profile

Back to top Go down

Re: Huston Street's available?

Post  RedMagma on Sun Jan 13, 2008 4:15 am

prestige, chance to win, big city bright lights. I suppose every athlete wants to be the best and do their best while testing themselves at the highest level. In basbeall there is no greater test than the New York Yankees. It doesn't vindicate a career, but it is a plateau that I think alot of prospects dream about no matter what team they like growing up.

RedMagma

Posts : 3654
Join date : 2007-12-24

View user profile

Back to top Go down

Re: Huston Street's available?

Post  RedMagma on Sun Jan 13, 2008 4:24 am

Giants are New York's only feel-good story

Shaun Powell

http://www.newsday.com/sports/football/giants/ny-sppow135535524jan13,0,1660338.column

IRVING, Texas

In this strange and disturbing period of Yankees steroid suspects, weed infestation inside the Garden and the pile of rubble caused by broken seasons from the Mets and Jets, isn't it interesting how we find ourselves getting our local sports fix from ... the team that was supposed to be a mess?

Really, it doesn't matter much if the Giants can't beat the Cowboys today. They've already whipped everyone in town.

Shaun Powell Shaun Powell Bio | E-mail | Recent columns

They're the last New York team standing in a place where all others suffered embarrassing collapses in 2007. None had the surprising fortitude shown by the Giants. With determination and yes, a bit of luck, the Giants managed to avoid the gloomy forecasts that had them crashing hard. Now they stand a decent chance of giving Cowboys quarterback Tony Romo more time for Mexico.

"We believe we can win," defensive end Michael Strahan said, and after 11 victories in 17 games, why not another?

The Giants do not sparkle. Only Osi Umenyiora is a Pro Bowl player; the rest are a bunch of "slapsticks," in the words of Strahan. Their coach doesn't crack jokes, nor is he headed to the Hall of Fame. Their quarterback is The Brother Of. There are far too many rookies getting their uniforms dirty for a team in the playoffs. And so on.

America isn't smitten by the Giants nearly as much as the country is for the team that will be across the field today, and truth be told, many football nuts believe the Giants are just In The Way. They'll be cursed from Pennsylvania to California if they spoil the fun and keep America's Team from reaching America's Game.

But there's something to admire about these Giants, about their willingness to swat away all logic and simply play on.

Their journey to the second week of January shouldn't be lost on their New York brothers, who should have taken notes on how to survive and thrive. The Jets, Knicks, Yankees and Mets can learn plenty by studying the Giants' model and applying it to 2008. There is much to see and applaud and appreciate about the Giants and the blueprint they laid.

Take, for instance, how to handle a beleaguered coach.

The Yankees didn't really want Joe Torre after another first-round playoff exit, so they gave him an offer he could refuse - and were happy when he did. This took a public relations toll, however, and the Yankees are just now digging out from under it.

The Giants? They had the opposite problem. Their coach was unpopular with fans and within his locker room. But they stuck with Tom Coughlin after ordering him to tweak his approach because Coughlin's core values of dedication and discipline were too valuable to lose. It was the right move, in hindsight, and the reformed screamer is likely to get a new contract.

Unlike the Mets, who introduced a whole new meaning to gagging, the Giants refused to collapse late in the season and blow their chance. They won seven road games with the kind of mental toughness the Mets couldn't muster against the Washington Nationals and Florida Marlins down the stretch.

The Giants showed the Jets how to keep growing in the right direction. Both teams are led by young general managers, but only one earned his money. All of Jerry Reese's draft picks made the team and cracked the rotation. And when Reese refused to extend Strahan's contract, that was a good thing. When Mike Tannenbaum played tough with Pete Kendall, that was a bad thing.

All told, good organization helped the Giants get beyond the loss of Tiki Barber and through a season that's gone better than expected, which we can't say about the Knicks. It all starts at the top, although the only thing John Mara and James Dolan have in common is their inheritance.

To John Mara, the Giants are a precious family jewel not to be scratched. Meanwhile, the Knicks do not butter the Dolan family bread. They're a toy, a mere programming tool for Cablevision.

The Giants' owner, general manager and coach were committed to a solid season, no matter what, and that rubbed off on the players. That's why they're here. They might be the weakest team left in the playoffs, if not the dullest, but around here, they're the only team worth watching.

"Not many people thought we'd be still playing," Brandon Jacobs said.

We'll see today if they're really this good, or if everyone else in New York was that bad.

Email - shaun.powell@newsday.com

RedMagma

Posts : 3654
Join date : 2007-12-24

View user profile

Back to top Go down

Re: Huston Street's available?

Post  Sponsored content


Sponsored content


Back to top Go down

Page 1 of 10 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9, 10  Next

Back to top

- Similar topics

 
Permissions in this forum:
You cannot reply to topics in this forum