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Post  RedMagma on Tue Jan 15, 2008 9:16 am

early 2008 standings prediction
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These are my preseason predictions. Factors that can affect the standings are obovious injuries, trades, how a team gels, schedule......

Place team range (place)

AL East

1 Redsox 1-2

2 yankees 1-3

3 bluejays 2-4

4 rays 3-4

5 orioles N/A

AL central

1 indians 1-2

2 tigers 1-2

3 twins 3-5

4 whitesox 3-5

5 royals 4-5

AL West

1 angels N/A

2 mariners 2-3

3 rangers 2-3

4 a's N/A

NL east

1 phillies 1-3

2 braves 1-3

3 mets 1-3

4 marlins 2-4

5 nats N/A

NL central

1 brewers 1-2

2 cubs 1-3

3 astros 2-3

4 reds 4-5

5 cardinals 4-5

6 pirates N/A

NL west

1 dbacks 1-3

2 dodgers 1-3

3 rockies 1-3

4 padres 2-4

5 giants 4-5






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early 2008 standings prediction
diehardsox14 Post #1: Jan 14, 4:47 pm Quote | Report Violation
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These are my preseason predictions. Factors that can affect the standings are obovious injuries, trades, how a team gels, schedule......

Place team range (place)

AL East

1 Redsox 1-2

2 yankees 1-3

3 bluejays 2-4

4 rays 3-4

5 orioles N/A

AL central

1 indians 1-2

2 tigers 1-2

3 twins 3-5

4 whitesox 3-5

5 royals 4-5

AL West

1 angels N/A

2 mariners 2-3

3 rangers 2-3

4 a's N/A

NL east

1 phillies 1-3

2 braves 1-3

3 mets 1-3

4 marlins 2-4

5 nats N/A

NL central

1 brewers 1-2

2 cubs 1-3

3 astros 2-3

4 reds 4-5

5 cardinals 4-5

6 pirates N/A

NL west

1 dbacks 1-3

2 dodgers 1-3

3 rockies 1-3

4 padres 2-4

5 giants 4-5
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Finally some respect for the brewcrew
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cubs 1-4
brewers 1-3
cardinals 1-4
astros 2-5
reds 3-5
pirates 6
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These are my preseason predictions. Factors that can affect the standings are obovious injuries, trades, how a team gels, schedule......

Place team range (place)

AL East

1 Redsox 1-2

2 yankees 1-3

3 bluejays 2-4

4 rays 3-4

5 orioles N/A

AL central

1 indians 1-2

2 tigers 1-2

3 twins 3-5

4 whitesox 3-5

5 royals 4-5

AL West

1 angels N/A

2 mariners 2-3

3 rangers 2-3

4 a's N/A

NL east

1 phillies 1-3

2 braves 1-3

3 mets 1-3

4 marlins 2-4

5 nats N/A

NL central

1 brewers 1-2

2 cubs 1-3

3 astros 2-3

4 reds 4-5

5 cardinals 4-5

6 pirates N/A

NL west

1 dbacks 1-3

2 dodgers 1-3

3 rockies 1-3

4 padres 2-4

5 giants 4-5


?

I also think the Nats and Marlins in the NL ED are both possible 4-5, and the Rangers and A's in the AL WD are both possible 3-4.
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Cubs 1-3
Brewers 1-3
Reds 1-4
Cardinals 2-4
Astros 5
Pirates 6
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I also think the Nats and Marlins in the NL ED are both possible 4-5, and the Rangers and A's in the AL WD are both possible 3-4.



i can agree with that the more i look at it. it should be an interesting season ...


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The 2008 season could possibly go down in history as the season with the most parity amongst the Major League teams in a long ,long time.
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AMERICAN

East: Sox

Central: Tigers

West: Angels

Wildcard: Indians

Sleeper: Toronto

NATIONAL:

East: Mets

Central: Cards

West: D'backs

Wildcard: Phillies

Sleeper: Brewers
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Central: Cards



not so sure about this pick but i guess you never know in baseball. the cards did nothing to improve except maybe get a healthy carpenter.
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Not bad. I was about to bash another standings prediction thread, but I like the addition of the "range" category.

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Re: Twins betting Santana Stakes still 3-horse race

Post  RedMagma on Tue Jan 15, 2008 9:20 am

AL Focus: Ranking the rotations

http://www.sportingnews.com/yourturn/viewtopic.php?t=334587


1. Indians: LHP C.C. Sabathia, RHP Fausto Carmona, RHP Jake Westbrook, RHP Paul Byrd, LHP Aaron Laffey

The biggest concern is whether Sabathia and Carmona have been scarred by their playoff implosions against Boston. This is a durable, sturdy group that should keep the bullpen fresh. LHPs Cliff Lee and Jeremy Sowers will push Lackey.

2. Red Sox: RHP Josh Beckett, RHP Curt Schilling, RHP Daisuke Matsuzaka, RHP Tim Wakefield, LHP Jon Lester

Matsuzaka faded in his first try at a longer season and Schilling and Wakefield are 41, so using RHP Clay Buchholz in a form of a six-man rotation isn't so far-fetched.

3. Angels: RHP John Lackey, RHP Kelvim Escobar, RHP Jered Weaver, RHP Jon Garland, LHP Joe Saunders

Garland, picked up from the White Sox, adds to the rotation's innings-eating capacity. In fact, Garland, Lackey and Escobar ranked among the top 25 in innings in the A.L. last season. RHP Ervin Santana is valuable as another starting option, as a reliever or as trade bait.

4. Blue Jays: RHP Roy Halladay, RHP A.J. Burnett, RHP Dustin McGowan, RHP Shaun Marcum, RHP Jesse Litsch

Halladay, Burnett and McGowan are ground-ball machines and will be big winners if new SS David Eckstein improves a mediocre in_ eld defense .

5. Tigers: RHP Justin Verlander, RHP Jeremy Bonderman, LHP Dontrelle Willis, LHP Kenny Rogers, LHP Nate Robertson

Willis got a long-term deal even though scouts wondered if he was hurt last season when his velocity dropped with Florida. Bonderman (2-8, 7.38) and Rogers (0-4, 5.72) had poor second halves.

6. Yankees: RHP Chien-Ming Wang, LHP Andy Pettitte, RHP Phil Hughes, RHP Joba Chamberlain, RHP Mike Mussina

The Yankees have not depended on two starters as young as Chamberlain (22) and Hughes (21) since the Dave Righetti-Mike Morgan duo in 1982. Wang's sinker ranks among the A.L.'s best pitches. Mussina is nearing the end.

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Post  RedMagma on Tue Jan 15, 2008 9:28 am

AL Focus: Ranking the rotations

http://www.sportingnews.com/yourturn/viewtopic.php?t=334587



1. Indians: LHP C.C. Sabathia, RHP Fausto Carmona, RHP Jake Westbrook, RHP Paul Byrd, LHP Aaron Laffey

The biggest concern is whether Sabathia and Carmona have been scarred by their playoff implosions against Boston. This is a durable, sturdy group that should keep the bullpen fresh. LHPs Cliff Lee and Jeremy Sowers will push Lackey.

2. Red Sox: RHP Josh Beckett, RHP Curt Schilling, RHP Daisuke Matsuzaka, RHP Tim Wakefield, LHP Jon Lester

Matsuzaka faded in his first try at a longer season and Schilling and Wakefield are 41, so using RHP Clay Buchholz in a form of a six-man rotation isn't so far-fetched.

3. Angels: RHP John Lackey, RHP Kelvim Escobar, RHP Jered Weaver, RHP Jon Garland, LHP Joe Saunders

Garland, picked up from the White Sox, adds to the rotation's innings-eating capacity. In fact, Garland, Lackey and Escobar ranked among the top 25 in innings in the A.L. last season. RHP Ervin Santana is valuable as another starting option, as a reliever or as trade bait.

4. Blue Jays: RHP Roy Halladay, RHP A.J. Burnett, RHP Dustin McGowan, RHP Shaun Marcum, RHP Jesse Litsch

Halladay, Burnett and McGowan are ground-ball machines and will be big winners if new SS David Eckstein improves a mediocre in_ eld defense .

5. Tigers: RHP Justin Verlander, RHP Jeremy Bonderman, LHP Dontrelle Willis, LHP Kenny Rogers, LHP Nate Robertson

Willis got a long-term deal even though scouts wondered if he was hurt last season when his velocity dropped with Florida. Bonderman (2-8, 7.38) and Rogers (0-4, 5.72) had poor second halves.

6. Yankees: RHP Chien-Ming Wang, LHP Andy Pettitte, RHP Phil Hughes, RHP Joba Chamberlain, RHP Mike Mussina

The Yankees have not depended on two starters as young as Chamberlain (22) and Hughes (21) since the Dave Righetti-Mike Morgan duo in 1982. Wang's sinker ranks among the A.L.'s best pitches. Mussina is nearing the end.

7. Mariners: RHP Felix Hernandez, RHP Miguel Batista, RHP Carlos Silva, LHP Jarrod Washburn, RHP Brandon Morrow

Hernandez needs an off-speed pitch to neutralize lefthanders. Batista has late--and unpredictable-- movement on his fastball. Adding the strike-throwing Silva increases the emphasis on pitching to contact.

8. Twins: LHP Johan Santana, LHP Francisco Liriano, RHP Scott Baker, RHP Kevin Slowey, RHP Boof Bonser

This group will be better than advertised if Santana isn't traded and if Liriano recovers completely from elbow surgery. Baker made great strides last season, posting a 3.44 ERA in the second half. Bonser's conditioning could be better.

9. White Sox: LHP Mark Buehrle, RHP Jose Contreras, RHP Javier Vazquez, LHP John Danks, RHP Gavin Floyd

Contreras and Vazquez could be traded because G.M. Kenny Williams wants to work in young arms such as RHPs Lance Broadway and Jack Egbert. Danks' pitches too often drift over the middle of the plate.

10. Rays: LHP Scott Kazmir, RHP James Shields, RHP Edwin Jackson, RHP Andy Sonnanstine, RHP Matt Garza

Rays starters led the A.L. with 7.7 strikeouts per nine innings last season. That primarily reflects Kazmir's power and Shields' exceptional changeup. Both should continue to improve. Jackson remains a riddle: talented but unproductive.

11. Athletics: RHP Joe Blanton, RHP Rich Harden, RHP Chad Gaudin, LHP Lenny DiNardo, RHP Justin Duchscherer

With the team rebuilding, Blanton is available. Harden would have tremendous value if he could stay healthy; he has pitched only 72⅓ innings over the past two seasons. Duchscherer is moving from the bullpen after an injury-plagued season.

12. Royals: RHP Gil Meche, RHP Brian Bannister, RHP Zack Greinke, LHP Jorge De La Rosa, RHP Luke Hochevar

To keep a spot in the rotation, Hochevar, the No. 1 pick in the 2006 draft, must throw more strikes. With a 3.67 ERA in 216 innings, Meche looked good in the first year of his big contract ($55 million for five years).

13. Orioles: LHP Erik Bedard, RHP Jeremy Guthrie, LHP Adam Loewen, RHP Daniel Cabrera, LHP Brian Burres

Rick Kranitz is the latest pitching coach who will try to harness Cabrera's ability. An incommand Cabrera would combine with Bedard and Guthrie to form an effective top of the rotation.

14. Rangers: RHP Kevin Millwood, RHP Vicente Padilla, RHP Brandon McCarthy, LHP Kason Gabbard, RHP Josh Rupe

Millwood has been ineffective in the role of No. 1 starter in two seasons with the club. McCarthy must get more sink on his fastball. Some see Gabbard as a Jamie Moyer clone; others dismiss him as soft tosser with no deceptiveness.

Gerry Fraley, a free-lance baseball writer based in St. Louis, is a regular contributor to Sporting News.

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Post  RedMagma on Tue Jan 15, 2008 9:30 am

Are the Red Sox holding the best chips for Santana?
Tuesday, January 15th, 2008

Two experts from Baseball America told the Boston Herald the best reported offer on the table for Johan Santana is Boston’s offer of Jon Lester, Coco Crisp, Jed Lowrie and Justin Masterson.

[John] Manuel prefers the Red Sox’ offer topped by lefty Jon Lester and center fielder Coco Crisp because he thinks Lester can be a middle-of-the-rotation starter and that the other offer features the Sox selling “high” with outfielder Jacoby Ellsbury.

“If they thought Jed Lowrie (.393 combined on-base percentage in Double A and Triple A last year) could be a major league shortstop, the Twins have to make that deal,” Manuel said. “The Twins are holding out for more offense. … None of these offers fit the Twins’ needs.”

Jim Callis, executive editor of Baseball America, said that even if the Yankees were to include right-hander Ian Kennedy in their offer or the Mets were to include hitting phenom Fernando Martinez, neither team’s package would be better than the Lester-Crisp package (Callis’ first choice) or the Ellsbury (No. 2 for Callis) offer.

Callis goes on to say, “If the Twins wanted to roll the dice, the Mets’ offer (with Martinez) could be the best deal.” But both Callis and Manuel agreed that the Twins would be taking a leap of faith by taking it because the players are so green.

Martinez and Deolis Guerra are years from reaching the majors. And even though the others are more advanced, Carlos Gomez, Phil Humber and Kevin Mulvey remain unproven at the big league level.

Meanwhile, amid the circus of on-again, off-again Yankee rumblings yesterday, I wrote about the possibility of the Twins overplaying their hand.

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6 Responses to "Are the Red Sox holding the best chips for Santana?"

Justin says:

January 15th, 2008 at 9:30 am

i wonder what we would have to offer with santana to get a deal with both ellsbury and lester in a deal. Nathan? Cuddyer? either one id do. we can move delmon to right ellsbury in center and monroe in left sharing time with kubel. Who know maybe pridie would win left field. Just we need another starter for the rotation and offense. I know Boston is looking for a right fielder so why not give up cuddy?

Shawn says:

January 15th, 2008 at 9:41 am

Justin You can’t Give Offense to get Offense. The Twins NEED offense and if you trade cuddy and only elsbury in return guess what now you STILL NEED offense, so the trade did nothing

jama says:

January 15th, 2008 at 9:46 am

I know the Twins normally do the safe and certain thing, but I wish they would swing for the fences. I know the Mets trade would have high risk but it also would have high reward if it pans out. I know that some of the players are a few years away but if their upside is higher I would love to see them go that route.

liondragon says:

January 15th, 2008 at 9:49 am

interesting article…

You can understand why the White Sox can’t get Johan Santana.

Playing in the same division makes it impossible, and even if Minnesota were willing, the Sox don’t have unlimited resources or prospects.

On the other hand, the Cubs have nothing but money to spend, can afford Santana’s $13 million in 2008, and have enough young players to make this deal possible.

Santana might insist on a long-term deal before he waives his no-trade clause, and that’s fine, too, since the Cubs have no issues with piling up debt.

Obviously, it’s not going to benefit the franchise long term if they don’t sign Santana to a contract extension, but nothing the Cubs do these days has anything to do with the long-term health of the franchise.

They’re running this like it’s a government operation, and the last thing they’re concerned about is 2009 or beyond.

This is about reaching the World Series in 2008, and if they don’t a lot of people are going to lose their jobs, sale or no sale.

So what do they care what it takes to get Santana, or their chances of re-signing him?

This has become an all-or-nothing exercise, and let’s face it, folks, when some of the really bad long-term deals come home to roost, this club faces some pretty lean years.

If all the eggs aren’t already in one basket, tossing Santana in with the rest certainly would make it so, and maybe put the Cubs over the top.

So give the Twins a Felix Pie and Donald Veal. Hand over Rich Hill if you must. Toss in Jeff Samardzija and Matt Murton. Don’t fret over the loss of Kevin Hart.

This is Johan Santana we’re talking about, and he gives you the best chance yet of ending the drought before you hit the magic century mark without a World Series.

With Santana and Carlos Zambrano at the top, and Ted Lilly a solid No. 3, you can get by with Jason Marquis and Sean Marshall.

If you’re still unhappy, go sign a Livan Hernandez to fill out your playoff rotation.

In the meantime, add Kenny Lofton to play center, and on the days he can’t go, the Cubs can use Kosuke Fukudome.

Go get Brian Roberts and then hope the Cubs can stay healthy enough to get past Arizona in October.

You’re probably thinking that with all these moves the Cubs would get a whole lot older.

And while waiting for a title, so do the fans.

maybe the cubs could swing in?

MH says:

January 15th, 2008 at 9:49 am

alright… i am not here to argue.. i am a twins fan.. and i have always been thinking from a different perspective..

hopefully people do not get it twisted again (roundabout)

Shawn says:

January 15th, 2008 at 9:50 am

I actually like the lester/crisp/lowrie/masterson offer, i know most people don’t like crisp BUT he would only be a stop gap because you have Pirdie and to a lesser extent Span in the minors ready to take over. Crisp also gives a us a very good leadoff hitter, which could help this team a lot.

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Post  RedMagma on Tue Jan 15, 2008 9:34 am

Mets Prefer Bedard Over Santana?

http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/


Interesting line from Lisa Kennelly of the Newark Star-Ledger today:

The Mets, however, prefer Baltimore's Erik Bedard over Santana, since he wouldn't require the same lucrative extension as part of the deal.

The Mets have an option the Red Sox and Yankees probably don't - they might be able to acquire Erik Bedard for a price similar to what it would take to get Johan Santana. It makes complete sense that Bedard would be more attractive - it's two years of him versus one of Santana. Even if Santana is a slightly better/more durable pitcher, two years easily outweighs that. Jon Heyman said on December 3rd that the Mets had offered Carlos Gomez, Phil Humber, and Aaron Heilman for Bedard, which "barely drew a response from Baltimore."

The Mets' interest in Bedard goes back for at least a few months; it's probably just been on the backburner. The Red Sox and Yankees have expressed interest, but it was said that Peter Angelos didn't want to trade Bedard within the division.

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Post  RedMagma on Tue Jan 15, 2008 9:34 am

PLEASE don't do it
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Even if it means losing him to the Red Sox. I think it would be a big mistake in going after Santana. Not worth the 25M per he's looking for. And I have this feeling that Hughes is going to be a stud. I have no problem going into the season as we are.

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Post  RedMagma on Tue Jan 15, 2008 9:42 am

Ellis Valentine


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ellis_Valentine


Outfielder
Born: July 30, 1954 (1954-07-30) (age 53)
Batted: Right Threw: Right
MLB debut
September 3, 1975
for the Montreal Expos
Final game
October 2, 1985
for the Texas Rangers
Career statistics
Batting Average .278
Home runs 123
Runs Batted In 474
Teams

* Montreal Expos (1975-1981)
* New York Mets (1981-1982)
* Boston Red Sox (1983)
* Texas Rangers (1985)



Ellis Clarence Valentine (born July 30, 1954 in Helena, Arkansas) is a former right fielder in Major League Baseball. He was drafted by the Montreal Expos in 1972; playing for the Expos, he was elected a National League All-Star in 1977 and received a Gold Glove Award in 1978. He also played for the New York Mets, California Angels and Texas Rangers, before retiring in 1985.

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Post  RedMagma on Tue Jan 15, 2008 9:43 am

Memo to the Twins: Get the DAMN DEAL done or use up 30% of your budget on one guy... A lot of people talk about Hank changing his mind, I think Bill Smith is just as bad. He keeps delaying, he's going to get crucified by the Minny media and fanbase and when it's all said and done, at best, he'll get 2 draft picks for Santana.

The media don't crucify the Twins out here, they are more interested in the color of AP's next stool. And really - everyone knows how it is with the Twins, why keep rehashing the same crap over and over and over again? The owners don't care - period.

Even with the new park, it's still gonna be the 52% of revenue break-even mode. Well, at least that's how it's been since 2001 up until the park passed. Now? Yeah - we're a little worried. But what do we - the fan base - do? Boycott? After 8 years of season tickets I'm gonna give up my chance at keeping my front-row OF seats in the new park?

We wrote the pro-stadium letters to the legislature, I wrote letters to the county commissioners about the current payroll gut, I wrote my ticket rep and the f.o. - nobody cares. What exactly are we supposed to do?

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Post  RedMagma on Tue Jan 15, 2008 9:44 am

i will do it by each division

al east

1.blue jays

2.red sox

3.devil rays(once midseason when all prospects come up....NASTY!!!)

4.yankees

5.orioles

al central

1.indians

2.twins(with johan and liriano all good 2 go)

3.tigers

4.royals

5.white sox

al west

1.angels

2.mariners

3.oakland(trading everyone away ya know?)

4.rangers(always pathetic in pitching)

overall

1.angels

2.blue jays

3.indians

4.red sox

5. twins

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Re: Twins betting Santana Stakes still 3-horse race

Post  RedMagma on Tue Jan 15, 2008 9:46 am

i am getting increasingly annoyed at all this back and forth santana talk. one day hank is saying we're out, the next he's saying that they haven't ruled anything out. this wishy-washy back and forth "i'm not sure what to do" ownership style isn't going to work. it's making me very concerned about the future of the team. make a decision and stick to it. it's like what they say about drivers. the kind of driver that causes the most accidents on the road is not an aggresive driver, it's not a defensive driver...it's the indecisive driver.

bottom line: sacrificing the future by giving up hughes, melky, +2 others (marquez and someone else) is far too much to give up for a pitcher who's already had his best years and who wants us to invest another $120 million into him in his twilight years as an ace.

patience is the key here. how many impulse moves did we make in the 80's and early 90's that killed us in the long run? we have the talent to win for a long time. it might not be in 2008, but another dynasty is coming.

somebody get some balls up in tampa and the bronx and put your foot down on this issue and let's move forward.

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Post  RedMagma on Tue Jan 15, 2008 9:47 am

mitchell "eventhough their performance may have gone down at the time of alleged use...they had a psychological edge...."



"like when you go to give a speech and your confident..."





WHAT?!?!

wow mitch, wow.



spin doctor

point ..... mitchell says he blieves mac because of andy....(norton says no mitchell why do you believe mac about roger!! BOOM)

so, why did he think he was credible before andy....during the stmt. not about andy, he is not on trial...about rogerrrrrrr

olney...mac was wrong in the past, california

and you cant accuse roger because he was right about andy...that is not roger

SEPARATE THEM



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Post  RedMagma on Tue Jan 15, 2008 9:50 am

Yankees invite 26 to Spring Training
Non-roster players include top prospects Horne, Tabata

http://newyork.yankees.mlb.com/news/article.jsp?ymd=20080115&content_id=2346268&vkey=news_nyy&fext=.jsp&c_id=nyy

NEW YORK -- The Yankees announced on Tuesday that they have invited 26 non-roster players to Spring Training in Tampa, Fla., bringing the total number of players scheduled to report to 66.

Two on the list have previously worn pinstripes in New York and will be trying to make the Yankees' Opening Day roster: infielder Nick Green and right-hander Darrell Rasner.

Green, 29, saw September action with the Mariners last season after batting .240 with two home runs and four RBIs with New York in 2006. Rasner, 27, made the Yankees' Opening Day roster and went 1-3 with a 4.01 ERA over two stints with the Yankees. His season was interrupted by a fractured right index finger on May 19.

The Yankees' invitee list also features seven players who have previously appeared in Major League competition, including outfielder Jason Lane, who slugged a career-high 26 home runs for the Houston Astros in 2005.

Signed to a Minor League contract, the 31-year-old Lane is a career .241 hitter in 497 games with the Astros and Padres. The Yankees envision Lane competing for their first-base position, along with Jason Giambi, Wilson Betemit and Shelley Duncan.

Other non-roster invitees with big league experience include infielder Bernie Castro, right-hander Daniel Giese, left-hander Heath Phillips, infielder Cody Ransom, right-hander Scott Strickland and left-hander Billy Traber.

The Yankees also invited the following players: right-handers Alan Horne, Steven Jackson, Daniel McCutchen and Mark Melancon; catchers Kyle Anson, Jason Brown, Jesus Montero, P.J. Pilittere and Austin Romine; infielders Eric Duncan, Brett Gardner and Marcos Vechionacci; and outfielders Justin Christian, Colin Curtis, Austin Jackson, Greg Porter and Jose Tabata.



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Post  RedMagma on Tue Jan 15, 2008 9:59 am

No way do the Sox include Ellsbury and Bucholtz. If the Yankee’s include Hughes and Kennedy then he is theirs. The Sox would still have a stronger team and would then go out and get Nathan or Street.


ok maybe not both but Capital WAY for Bucholtz, if the yanks propose a trade centering around Hughs the sox will counter with a trade certering around Bucholtz who is the best youg pitcher in the game, currently more appealing with more upside that Hughs. The yankees dont get Santana,,,,, its the Mets or the red sox, just depends on how far the damn babling steinberner wants to take it,,, if hank shuts the f up now, johan to the mets, if he keeps sipping on corona’s, Santana gos to the red sox.

The ” new” Yankees are such a loose cannon….if we get Johan, it will be a miracle….we are just being teased…and a month from now we will all wake up and realize oh man…Pedro and his 5/6 innings max is our number one starter…and that Humber never has recovered from his Tommy John surgery…Pelfrey was overrated….Gomez can’t hit a curve ball……..problem is that we wont make the playoffs with the pitching we have….not to mention seriously contend with an AL team if we were, somehow, to make to the World Series because our starting pitching is too weak.. Without a true number #1, how are we going to get by Arizona with Webb and Haren? Pedro and Maine?????? hah.

OMAR, if you are reading….pull the trigger….the longer you wait the greater the chance that crazy Yanks make a deal….if you srew this one up…you may not be around to see how those “prized” prospects turn out…..



More depressing? Please….just reiterating the “legit fears” of many Mets fans….All I am trying to do is point out that there are very many risks with trying to hold onto prospects for a team built to win now.

Also, I would like you to point out one part of the post that not a real concern with this team heading into 2008?

Fear of the Yankees trumping us to get the best pitcher in the game the longer we wait?

Arizona has better starting pitching?

Humber and Pelfey have not shown much at major league level?

Gomez can hit a curve ball?

AL elites team have much better staring pitching (e.g. See Boston Redsox)
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Post  RedMagma on Tue Jan 15, 2008 10:01 am

If you read the above, Callis is suggesting that even if the yankees include Kennedy plus Hughes, their offer is inferior, not equal, but inferior to the sox offer.

Sorry, thats just ridiculous.

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Post  RedMagma on Tue Jan 15, 2008 10:01 am

The key part is your last statement, “If that is what the Twins want” By the farm I am guessing Gomez, Guerra, Mulvey, Humber and Fmart. That may not even be enough based on what the Yankees and Sox do. So at that point do you want to add more?

Plus don’t forget that Perez and Maine should be on pace to increase their innings this season. Maine pitched 191 last year and although he did experience a drop off his arm should be stronger this year. I would expect at least 210 from him this season. Perez had 177 this season through 29 starts, I would expect him to be in the 195-210 range as well. So although that does not “replace” Glavine’s innings it could as a rotation.
Last season the opening rotation gave us 787 innings
This seasons opening rotation baring a substantial injury should give us
Pedro 150+
Maine 210
Perez 200
Elduque 150
Pelfrey 150
That rotation actually gives us 860 innings. Of course the problem with that is what happens if there is a major injury or Pelfrey still sucks.

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Post  RedMagma on Tue Jan 15, 2008 10:06 am

mitchell started investigation in 03 to see what he found...they werent supposed "to look in the past, as another testifying befor that panel once said" but micthell did look in the past.

anyhow, 2002 andy admitted hgh use. is it possible that mac obtained hgh form radom, and gave them to andy. that was found out after radom flipped. and the feds assumed clemens was involved and set out to, as mac says, get roger?

yep, it is possible....say it tin! it is possible.

"when roid use is made public....it should be reported on" mitchell

What about PEREZ and CRAWFORD???



question to mitch. "how was players response to your investigation??"

mitchell..."the union wasnt very cooperative


"players were forced to go to an interview (WHICH THE PA FORBADE) to see evidence against them"



mitrchell "i did not communicate with any player directly!!"




clemens fired mac 2 mos. prior to his "interview" with feds...then feds and irs


mitchell "eventhough their performance may have gone down at the time of alleged use...they had a psychological edge...."



"like when you go to give a speech and your confident..."



WHAT?!?!

wow mitch, wow.






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point ..... mitchell says he blieves mac because of andy....(norton says no mitchell why do you believe mac about roger!! BOOM)

so, why did he think he was credible before andy....during the stmt. not about andy, he is not on trial...about rogerrrrrrr

olney...mac was wrong in the past, california

and you cant accuse roger because he was right about andy...that is not roger

SEPARATE THEM



"I'd rather be called a liar than a drug pusher," McNamee says, his voice rising. BANG


why didnt clemens meet with you? " mitch - "i dunno" he had the opportunity to see the evidence as long as he interviewed with us..."

mitch, YOU JuST SAID THE PLAYERS UNION FORBADE IT>>>THE WHOLE SPEAL ABOUT THANK GOD THE PUBLIc isnt LIKE BASEBALL...THE WALL...

OTHERWISE WE WOULDNT BE ABLE TO PROSECUTE ANYBODY

....PG 340 MITCHELL REPORT...."TO PROSECUTE DEALERS NOT PLAYERS"

"why do you think he was honest" mitch "because andy admitted it" what about before andy said anything???

norton slamed dunk that one..."no mitch, honest about roger."



we investigated what was available to us....LA TIMES , GRIMSLEY that is where it started (which was in the past, well before mitch. it came out that grim reaper said "ROger would never use"

...what was available to us....they had perez and crawford, and that was real evidence

this is a joke, stmt "clemens is refuting the allegations, and quite publically"

YES, AS Were THE ALLEGATIONS AGAINST HIM


well, mcnamme was under oath to tell the truth since cali (grimsley) and would be prosecuted for any false info..."



so mac is being prosecuted for statement made last year? si.com 2006

posted in this very thread.

and McNamee as a "trainer, and medical folk" released "alledged" confidental information regarding his client (mitch says 'like a lawyers")...

so mac is being sued for violation of HIPPA LAWS?

whew

Mitchell said there was a player who came to him and cleared his name. Guess who that player's accuser was?

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Post  RedMagma on Tue Jan 15, 2008 10:11 am

QUOTE(Omar @ Jan 11 2008, 07:13 PM) *
Make of this what you will:

Omar came home from Israel early, and somewhat unexpectedly, tonight.

Then, he ended leaving before the end of a very tight basketball game that his son was playing in.


The mystery of Minaya's premature return from Israel is solved:
QUOTE
His relationship with Bush, however, carried no weight when they were in Israel. Minaya and his group had to vacate their hotel in Jerusalem because Bush and his contingent were coming.

“The original plan was we were going to be in Jerusalem one more day,” Minaya said. “But they kicked us out because the president was coming.”

nytimes

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Post  RedMagma on Tue Jan 15, 2008 10:13 am

In today Ny Post- As for the Mets, according to a person familiar with the situation, Mets are unwilling to go further than a five-year extension for Santana. That would be added on to his current 2008 pact, meaning the Mets would still control him for six years.

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Post  RedMagma on Tue Jan 15, 2008 10:21 am

Hey Rob, Please, Can you rank Top Al rotations ? Can you post in your blog thanks.

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Post  RedMagma on Tue Jan 15, 2008 10:31 am

What are your thoughts on Royals entering 2008 season? Are they ready to compete against Tigers and Indians in Al central Division?

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Post  RedMagma on Tue Jan 15, 2008 10:35 am

And if Santana gets hurt ?

And I hardly consider Gomez,Guerra,Mulvey,Humber and potentially another prospect who could potentially be Fernando Martinez to be anywhere remotely close to lowballing

and if Yanks want him, they'll part with Hughes,Melky,Marquez and another, which is not lowballling either

In my eyes, the only lowball offer is the Red Sox offer, and it appears everyone thinks it's the best

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Post  RedMagma on Tue Jan 15, 2008 10:38 am

Considering an M’s/O’s Bedard deal seems very close, and that the Mets’ chances of getting him are slim at best regardless, maybe this is some disinformation from the Mets front office, hoping they can get the Twins to bite in response (a la Hankenstein’s constant we’re in/we’re out waffling).

Otherwise, I don’t get it.

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Post  RedMagma on Tue Jan 15, 2008 10:39 am

This is how I'd rank the rotations.

1. Angels
2. Blue Jays
3. Indians
4. Twins
5. Red Sox
6. Rays
7. A's
8. Yankees
9. Mariners
10. Tigers
11. Orioles
12. White Sox
13. Rangers
14. Royals




wow.. Twins 4th? larino didnt play AT ALL last year, and Santana is suppose to be gone before the trade dead line.. and who else do they have starting?? and red sox 5th!? A's have who left? lol, and Tigers are to low.

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Post  RedMagma on Tue Jan 15, 2008 10:42 am

New takes on the santana situation
http://blogs.trb.com/sports/baseball/yankees/blog/2008/01/new_takes_on_the_santana_situa.html#comments

In the long-running Johan Santana Story, two people we have heard next to nothing from are Santana himself and Robinson Cano. Surprisingly enough, comments from both have come out in the last couple days.

Santana told the Fort Myers News-Press (the Twins hold spring training in Fort Myers): "I'm a Minnesota Twin," Santana said. "That's all I know. It's up to them. Whatever they have to do is going to happen. It has nothing to do with me at all. I said it from the beginning during the season last year, whatever will be the best for this team and this organization, I'll agree with that."

Cano, speaking at a New Jersey school yesterday, was on board with the idea of the Yankees getting Santana. That surprised me some, since one main player that would likely go to Minnesota in a Santana deal is Melky Cabrera, and he and Cano are attached at the hip.

But Cano told MLB.com: "We've got some great players. If we don't get a deal, we've got to play with our guys. In baseball, you never know what's going to happen. You've just got to keep fighting and play hard."

"It's a great deal if we can get Santana. We need it. We need a No. 1 guy like him. ... If [the Red Sox] got Santana, they're going to be a way better team. I hope we get him. It's not a good idea for us if they get Santana."

Cano said he had told Cabrera: "Don't pay attention to the rumors. If you get traded, just keep playing. He wants to be a Yankee; he said he doesn't want to leave. I told him, 'If you have to leave, keep playing hard. You never know. You might come back.'

"I love Melky, but he [would] play every day in Minnesota. If the deal is going to be great for him, I'll be happy. That's what I told him. If you're going to play every day, you prove to yourself that you can be in the big leagues. You don't want to be sitting on the bench."


Hank Steinbrenner told the Associated Press in Tampa the Yankees are not out of Santana talks. Here's the AP report: "It’s still in the deciding process,” Steinbrenner said Monday night outside Legends Field at the Yankees’ spring training complex. “We’re still discussing it. There’s still a little talk back and forth.”

Right-hander Phil Hughes and center fielder Melky Cabrera would likely be part of a multiplayer package needed to obtain Santana, a two-time Cy Young Award winner who can become a free agent after this season.

Steinbrenner said reports that the Yankees recently withdrew a formal offer to the Twins are not true.

“There wasn’t an official offer anyway. You can’t withdraw something that wasn’t there,” Steinbrenner said. “There was no official offer on the table at this time.”

The New York Mets and Boston Red Sox are also interested in Santana.

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Post  RedMagma on Tue Jan 15, 2008 10:47 am

How about Theo's his flip Flopping? I thought He quit as Gm of Redsox . After Beckett deal was made , He wore Gorilla outfit to come back as Gm.

Let's Talk about Politics Shall we?

How about Boston John Kerry who was flip-flopper during presidential election ?

Another Flip-flipper is a Matt Romney/ I hope He loses.

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