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Post  RedMagma on Thu Jan 24, 2008 2:17 pm

Eli to have the game of his life for Giants to win




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Why To Watch
The Patriots measure success by Super Bowl victories, while the Giants have been one of the hottest teams in the playoffs. Can the Giants go toe-to-toe with arguably the greatest team in NFL history? This is truly a David versus Goliath scenario. If the Patriots come up short, this season was a waste. However, if they win the Patriots' dynasty continues and Tom Brady's legacy grows yet again.

The combination of Brady and Randy Moss along with the unbelievable supporting cast has been unbelievable all season long. Can Giants defensive coordinator Steve Spagnuolo slow down this high-powered unit? Look for the Giants to continue to rely on their power running game to set up the play-action attack. QB Eli Manning must have the game of his life against a Patriots defense that will show multiple looks and disguises. Look for Bill Belichick's game plan to focus on shutting down the Giants' rushing attack, while forcing Manning to beat them through the air.




When the Giants have the ball
Rushing: The Patriots have shown a balanced attack throughout the playoffs led by RB Laurence Maroney. Behind an offensive line that averages 306 pounds, Maroney has been very effective as an inside and outside-zone runner. He has shown vision, run instincts, power, explosiveness and blazing speed while wearing down opposing defenses. Offensive coordinator Josh McDaniels can attack the Giants in so many ways led by quarterback Tom Brady and his unbelievable supporting cast. Spagnuolo must find a way to slow down this high-powered offense with his multiple schemes. The Patriots rely heavily on the versatility within their offense based on situational down and distance. Look for the Patriots to incorporate both their 12 (1 RB, 2 TE) and 22 (1 RB, 1 FB and 2 TE) groupings on heavy run-down tendencies.

The Giants have an undersized defensive line, especially out on the edges with LDE Michael Strahan (255 pounds) and RDE Osi Umenyiora (261 pounds), while the Patriots have done a great job of sealing off the edges with tight ends Kyle Brady and Benjamin Watson. Expect the Patriots to attack the edges with their power zone schemes, while trying to wear down the Giants' front seven. Look for Spagnuolo to utilize a lot of movement with his front-four, while incorporating a lot of inside run blitzes that create confusion in the Patriots' blocking patterns. The Giants' linebackers led by MLB Antonio Pierce must do a great job of maintaining their gap responsibility within the Giants' run schemes.



Passing: Simply put, the Giants must find a way to attack Brady in the pocket, while forcing him into game-changing mistakes to have any chance at winning this game. In the last meeting between these two teams Brady lit up the Giants' secondary completing 32-of-42 pass attempts for 356 yards and two touchdowns, while being sacked only one time. The Patriots pose a lot of problems for the Giants due to Brady's ability to attack all levels in the passing game, along with his unbelievable knowledge of the Patriots' offensive system. Everything revolves around Brady's ability to spread the field and find the open receiver, while taking what the defense gives him. He is adept at setting the protection at the line of scrimmage, identifying the middle linebacker and getting rid of the ball quickly to an assortment of receivers led by Moss, Wes Welker and RB Kevin Faulk.

The key for the Giants will be their ability to create pressure on Brady with their four-man rush while dropping seven on the backend. Expect Spagnuolo to implement pressure schemes that mix in blitz packages, along with fire zones that try and take away the Patriots' underneath passing game, while disguising coverage on the backend off combinations. The Giants' secondary led by Sam Madison, Corey Webster and Aaron Ross, along with safeties James Butler and Gibril Wilson must do a great job of creating turnovers in their individual matchups on the backend, while not giving up any explosive plays.



When the Patriots have the ball
Rushing: The Giants must rely heavily on running backs Brandon Jacobs and Ahmad Bradshaw to control the time of possession and take pressure off Manning. Jacobs is a powerful downhill runner who can wear defenses down, while Bradshaw is an explosive change-of-pace runner with quick feet and great play speed. The Giants' game plan will continue to revolve around their power running game setting up the play-action attack. FB Madison Hedgecock continues to do a solid job creating space on the second level as a lead blocker in the Giants' two-back offense. Offensive coordinator Kevin Gilbride must do a great job in his play selection on first down to get the Giants in more manageable second and third-down situations.

Look for the Giants to continue to attack behind the right side of their offensive line led by RG Chris Snee and RT Kareem McKenzie. C Shaun O'Hara must also do a great job controlling Pats NT Vince Wilfork. O'Hara is the leader of the offensive line and though he doesn't provide a huge push in the middle, he has enough functional strength to be effective when he uses angles and body position. Defensive coordinator Dean Pees will incorporate a lot more multiple eight-man fronts by bringing SS Rodney Harrison up near the line of scrimmage on heavy run-down tendencies against the Giants' two-back sets to place a lot of pressure on Manning.



Passing: Manning must continue to play with a lot of consistency against a Patriots secondary that knows how to force turnovers. He must have the game of his life and continue to take charge, if the Giants are going to have a chance against all the different looks that the Patriots will give the young signal caller. Belichick does a great job of taking away a team's strength, while forcing them to do something they're not used to doing offensively. Look for the Patriots to take away WR Plaxico Burress in heavy pass-down tendencies, while pressuring Manning in the pocket. Burress has taken his game to a whole new level in the playoffs as Manning's primary receiver. He uses his great height to snatch balls downfield, while adjusting his routes at the top of stems. He is an excellent playmaker who will place a lot of pressure on the Patriots' secondary.

Look for CB Asante Samuel to be matched up on Burress throughout the game. Samuel continues to take his game to another level with excellent anticipation and ball skills. A lot of pressure will be placed on the Giants' offensive line to keep Manning upright in the pocket against the Patriots' blitz-pressure. If Manning has time in the pocket, the Giants can exploit the Patriots' secondary. With that said, the Giants must convert on third down, extend drives and keep Brady on the sidelines.



Special Teams

Both special teams units have to improve their coverage phases, otherwise both offenses will have good field position to start their drives. Other than that, the Patriots' special teams did a good job Sunday against the Chargers.

Giants kicker Lawrence Tynes did a good job kicking field goals against the Packers in sub-degree temperatures. Luckily for Giants' long snapper Zak DeOssie, the Super Bowl is in Arizona and the temperatures won't be an excuse for high snaps. The Patriots need a big return to spark the game, but those plays have been few and far between recently.

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Post  RedMagma on Thu Jan 24, 2008 2:25 pm

I think Eli to have the game of his life for Giants to win

The Patriots have shown a balanced attack throughout the playoffs led by RB Laurence Maroney. Behind an offensive line that averages 306 pounds, Maroney has been very effective as an inside and outside-zone runner. He has shown vision, run instincts, power, explosiveness and blazing speed while wearing down opposing defenses. Offensive coordinator Josh McDaniels can attack the Giants in so many ways led by quarterback Tom Brady and his unbelievable supporting cast. Spagnuolo must find a way to slow down this high-powered offense with his multiple schemes. The Patriots rely heavily on the versatility within their offense based on situational down and distance. Look for the Patriots to incorporate both their 12 (1 RB, 2 TE) and 22 (1 RB, 1 FB and 2 TE) groupings on heavy run-down tendencies.

The Giants have undersized defensive line, especially out on the edges with LDE Michael Strahan (255 pounds) and RDE Osi Umenyiora (261 pounds), while the Patriots have done a great job of sealing off the edges with tight ends Kyle Brady and Benjamin Watson. Expect the Patriots to attack the edges with their power zone schemes, while trying to wear down the Giants' front seven. Look for Spagnuolo to utilize a lot of movement with his front-four, while incorporating a lot of inside run blitzes that create confusion in the Patriots' blocking patterns. The Giants' linebackers led by MLB Antonio Pierce must do a great job of maintaining their gap responsibility within the Giants' run schemes.

Giants must find a way to attack Brady in the pocket, while forcing him into game-changing mistakes to have any chance at winning this game. In the last meeting between these two teams Brady lit up the Giants' secondary completing 32-of-42 pass attempts for 356 yards and two touchdowns, while being sacked only one time. The Patriots pose a lot of problems for the Giants due to Brady's ability to attack all levels in the passing game, along with his unbelievable knowledge of the Patriots' offensive system. Everything revolves around Brady's ability to spread the field and find the open receiver, while taking what the defense gives him. He is adept at setting the protection at the line of scrimmage, identifying the middle linebacker and getting rid of the ball quickly to an assortment of receivers led by Moss, Wes Welker and RB Kevin Faulk.

I think The key for the Giants will be their ability to create pressure on Brady with their four-man rush while dropping seven on the backend. I hope Spagnuolo to implement pressure schemes that mix in blitz packages, along with fire zones that try and take away the Patriots' underneath passing game, while disguising coverage on the backend off combinations. The Giants' secondary led by Sam Madison, Corey Webster and Aaron Ross, along with safeties James Butler and Gibril Wilson must do a great job of creating turnovers in their individual matchups on the backend, while not giving up any explosive plays.


Eli must continue to play with a lot of consistency against a Patriots secondary that knows how to force turnovers. He must have the game of his life and continue to take charge, if the Giants are going to have a chance against all the different looks that the Patriots will give the young signal caller. Belichick does a great job of taking away a team's strength, while forcing them to do something they're not used to doing offensively. Look for the Patriots to take away WR Plaxico Burress in heavy pass-down tendencies, while pressuring Manning in the pocket. Burress has taken his game to a whole new level in the playoffs as Manning's primary receiver. He uses his great height to snatch balls downfield, while adjusting his routes at the top of stems. He is an excellent playmaker who will place a lot of pressure on the Patriots' secondary.

Phsyical Defensive back CB Asante Samuel to be matched up on Burress throughout the game. Samuel continues to take his game to another level with excellent anticipation and ball skills. A lot of pressure will be placed on the Giants' offensive line to keep Manning upright in the pocket against the Patriots' blitz-pressure. If Manning has time in the pocket, the Giants can exploit the Patriots' secondary. With that said, the Giants must convert on third down, extend drives and keep Brady on the sidelines.

I hope Giants Specials teams must to continue to play well and no turnovers.

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Re: Eli to have the game of his life for Giants to win

Post  RedMagma on Thu Jan 24, 2008 2:32 pm

Manning has to have the game of his life for New York to win

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Why To Watch
The Patriots measure success by Super Bowl victories, while the Giants have been one of the hottest teams in the playoffs. Can the Giants go toe-to-toe with arguably the greatest team in NFL history? This is truly a David versus Goliath scenario. If the Patriots come up short, this season was a waste. However, if they win the Patriots' dynasty continues and Tom Brady's legacy grows yet again.

The combination of Brady and Randy Moss along with the unbelievable supporting cast has been unbelievable all season long. Can Giants defensive coordinator Steve Spagnuolo slow down this high-powered unit? Look for the Giants to continue to rely on their power running game to set up the play-action attack. QB Eli Manning must have the game of his life against a Patriots defense that will show multiple looks and disguises. Look for Bill Belichick's game plan to focus on shutting down the Giants' rushing attack, while forcing Manning to beat them through the air.




When the Giants have the ball
Rushing: The Patriots have shown a balanced attack throughout the playoffs led by RB Laurence Maroney. Behind an offensive line that averages 306 pounds, Maroney has been very effective as an inside and outside-zone runner. He has shown vision, run instincts, power, explosiveness and blazing speed while wearing down opposing defenses. Offensive coordinator Josh McDaniels can attack the Giants in so many ways led by quarterback Tom Brady and his unbelievable supporting cast. Spagnuolo must find a way to slow down this high-powered offense with his multiple schemes. The Patriots rely heavily on the versatility within their offense based on situational down and distance. Look for the Patriots to incorporate both their 12 (1 RB, 2 TE) and 22 (1 RB, 1 FB and 2 TE) groupings on heavy run-down tendencies.

The Giants have an undersized defensive line, especially out on the edges with LDE Michael Strahan (255 pounds) and RDE Osi Umenyiora (261 pounds), while the Patriots have done a great job of sealing off the edges with tight ends Kyle Brady and Benjamin Watson. Expect the Patriots to attack the edges with their power zone schemes, while trying to wear down the Giants' front seven. Look for Spagnuolo to utilize a lot of movement with his front-four, while incorporating a lot of inside run blitzes that create confusion in the Patriots' blocking patterns. The Giants' linebackers led by MLB Antonio Pierce must do a great job of maintaining their gap responsibility within the Giants' run schemes.



Passing: Simply put, the Giants must find a way to attack Brady in the pocket, while forcing him into game-changing mistakes to have any chance at winning this game. In the last meeting between these two teams Brady lit up the Giants' secondary completing 32-of-42 pass attempts for 356 yards and two touchdowns, while being sacked only one time. The Patriots pose a lot of problems for the Giants due to Brady's ability to attack all levels in the passing game, along with his unbelievable knowledge of the Patriots' offensive system. Everything revolves around Brady's ability to spread the field and find the open receiver, while taking what the defense gives him. He is adept at setting the protection at the line of scrimmage, identifying the middle linebacker and getting rid of the ball quickly to an assortment of receivers led by Moss, Wes Welker and RB Kevin Faulk.

The key for the Giants will be their ability to create pressure on Brady with their four-man rush while dropping seven on the backend. Expect Spagnuolo to implement pressure schemes that mix in blitz packages, along with fire zones that try and take away the Patriots' underneath passing game, while disguising coverage on the backend off combinations. The Giants' secondary led by Sam Madison, Corey Webster and Aaron Ross, along with safeties James Butler and Gibril Wilson must do a great job of creating turnovers in their individual matchups on the backend, while not giving up any explosive plays.



When the Patriots have the ball
Rushing: The Giants must rely heavily on running backs Brandon Jacobs and Ahmad Bradshaw to control the time of possession and take pressure off Manning. Jacobs is a powerful downhill runner who can wear defenses down, while Bradshaw is an explosive change-of-pace runner with quick feet and great play speed. The Giants' game plan will continue to revolve around their power running game setting up the play-action attack. FB Madison Hedgecock continues to do a solid job creating space on the second level as a lead blocker in the Giants' two-back offense. Offensive coordinator Kevin Gilbride must do a great job in his play selection on first down to get the Giants in more manageable second and third-down situations.

Look for the Giants to continue to attack behind the right side of their offensive line led by RG Chris Snee and RT Kareem McKenzie. C Shaun O'Hara must also do a great job controlling Pats NT Vince Wilfork. O'Hara is the leader of the offensive line and though he doesn't provide a huge push in the middle, he has enough functional strength to be effective when he uses angles and body position. Defensive coordinator Dean Pees will incorporate a lot more multiple eight-man fronts by bringing SS Rodney Harrison up near the line of scrimmage on heavy run-down tendencies against the Giants' two-back sets to place a lot of pressure on Manning.



Passing: Manning must continue to play with a lot of consistency against a Patriots secondary that knows how to force turnovers. He must have the game of his life and continue to take charge, if the Giants are going to have a chance against all the different looks that the Patriots will give the young signal caller. Belichick does a great job of taking away a team's strength, while forcing them to do something they're not used to doing offensively. Look for the Patriots to take away WR Plaxico Burress in heavy pass-down tendencies, while pressuring Manning in the pocket. Burress has taken his game to a whole new level in the playoffs as Manning's primary receiver. He uses his great height to snatch balls downfield, while adjusting his routes at the top of stems. He is an excellent playmaker who will place a lot of pressure on the Patriots' secondary.

Look for CB Asante Samuel to be matched up on Burress throughout the game. Samuel continues to take his game to another level with excellent anticipation and ball skills. A lot of pressure will be placed on the Giants' offensive line to keep Manning upright in the pocket against the Patriots' blitz-pressure. If Manning has time in the pocket, the Giants can exploit the Patriots' secondary. With that said, the Giants must convert on third down, extend drives and keep Brady on the sidelines.



Special Teams

Both special teams units have to improve their coverage phases, otherwise both offenses will have good field position to start their drives. Other than that, the Patriots' special teams did a good job Sunday against the Chargers.

Giants kicker Lawrence Tynes did a good job kicking field goals against the Packers in sub-degree temperatures. Luckily for Giants' long snapper Zak DeOssie, the Super Bowl is in Arizona and the temperatures won't be an excuse for high snaps. The Patriots need a big return to spark the game, but those plays have been few and far between recently.

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Re: Eli to have the game of his life for Giants to win

Post  RedMagma on Thu Jan 24, 2008 2:39 pm

objectively speaking, how could you NOT pick Cano over the NEXT 5yrs? I can't argue that Utley has been better the LAST 3yrs and is the better player RIGHT NOW, but I truly believe that they will be EQUAL THIS YEAR. as nrmax said: the smart money is on Cano over the next 5. he will be 29 and Utley 34. Utley will probably still get better, but Cano should most likely get MUCH better. Utley has a HUGE advantage batting in front of Howard while Cano bats 6/7/8. He's primed to take over the 3 spot this year if Abreu struggles. put him in front of A-Hole and watch his numbers spike. plus, Ultey is solid with the glove but has a weak arm, while Cano is also solid but has a strong arm. im not even taking $ into this.

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Post  RedMagma on Thu Jan 24, 2008 2:40 pm

Hey IceMan

I wouldnt pay much mind to a sox fan who is gonna ask what its like to go "ringless" for 8 yrs
maybe he should go ask his grandfather what it was like to go "ringless" for 86 years

his point about
"Lugo costing 1/4 what Jeet costs.... thats because Lugo has 1/4 the Rings Jeter has
besides Lugo makes 9 mill Jeet around 20 closer to half isnt it? Or is that boston math you know where 2 WS titles in 89 years is somehow equal to 26 Titles in same time period (actually less years)

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Post  RedMagma on Thu Jan 24, 2008 2:40 pm

Completely agree about just getting beat. I too have noticed some Yankee fans making excuses. But I never heard the Yankees scream "Boston s*cks" when the Rangers won the Stanley Cup in 1994. I never heard the Yankees publicy decree Boston as evil just because they consistenly were beaten on the field and in acquiring players. I also never heard any yankee fan state that Boston only won the World Series because their payrol was substantially larger than the Indians or the Cardinals.

When the Yankees win, I never heard anyone even mention Boston. I didn't go out looking for Red Sox fans to laugh at. Did you? I didn't go any message boards to taunt them. Did you? And neither of us made up names like 1999 ALCS on Red Sox message boards. During the dynasty years, I didn't even think about the Red Sox. Even in 2003, I didn't feel the need to scream Aaron Boone in their faces.

When Boston won in 2004 on a team of all free agents, I didn't hear any Yankee fans using that as a crutch. But I did hear Boston fans say that the Yankees won b/c they had a team of free agents and didn't have any homegrown players during the dynasty years. This, despite the fact that most of the key contributors were actually homegrown. But Boston fans "forget" facts to make their claims.

I just don't see Yankee fans acting like that. In fact, none of the teams that I root for have fans who act like that. Knicks fans don't curse the Celtics, despite the championship differential. If it was the ther way around, you know Celtic fans would be cursing the Knicks.

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Post  RedMagma on Thu Jan 24, 2008 2:41 pm

I have no problem with what Mo wrote.
But please see my commentary (copy and psted below) on how the Red Sox fans compare to Yankees fans. Red Sox fans have bred hatred into their mantra. Yankees fas have now... At least, not yet.

Let me preface it by saying I got a mean and angry "Sympathy" card from my co-workers after the Yanks were eliminated from the playoffs. I posted the following letter on the wall above my office (along with the card) for all to read. Please note this was before the WS. Enjoy:

An open letter to those who sent their “sympathies”…



~Only in Boston is it ok to raise one’s child to be a poor sport making the excuse that The Red Sox only won one World Series in 87 years.



~Only in Boston will you find a fandom that makes it more important to hate another team rather than love their own.



~Only in Boston will the mantra of their local teams be based on vulgarity and jealousy.



Well, only in Boston is it ok for upper management to belittle their employees under the guise of “friendly competition”. Well done! So much for rising above the rest…



I’d also like to thank all of you for proving the point that Yankee fans are the classiest in the world.



Thank you also, for proving another point. It really doesn’t matter if the Yankees win every year. What matters is that they give 100%, all of the time. I am extremely proud of what The Yankees accomplished this year. I seem to remember another eastern division team folding in August 2006 because of “injuries” or facing a little “adversity”.



Lastly, thank you for reminding me of what’s important. I really began to hate Red Sox Nation this year because of their relentless gloating. Now, I only feel sorry for them.

Good luck Red Sox Nation. At least Yankee fans have enough class to wish their rivals the best. At least the Yankees organization has enough class to leave the lights on so the Red Sox can celebrate a hard earned victory.



Sleep well. I know I will.

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Post  RedMagma on Thu Jan 24, 2008 2:45 pm

From Boston Sports Fans- NYSucks

http://bostonherald.com/sports/football/patriots/view.bg?articleid=1068664&format=comments&cnum=6

Hey NYers, you are off our radar now. You don't mean anything to us nor do your losing sports teams. Gosh, I can smell the stench of losing from NY to Boston. Shutdown your teams and send everybody home, will ya? Atleast that will save you some embarrasment week in and week out dished out by our Boston teams. The ONLY way you know to win is by hiring drug addicts - You havent' legitimately won anything since the Yank**s won in the 70s, that's more than 30 years of suckarroo. You and your media really make our day with your jealousy filled rage against the Boston teams ( I enjoy it).



Joe Mama
Leave it to someone from Da Bronx to teach people about culture. I got your culture right here buddy. Please. Hey NY'er who put TB on the cover of the NY Post first and called him a girlie man? Get a clue. This article was written as a response to articles in NY papers. Your media is obsessed with us. And if we're the ones who are so obsessed with NY why are you the ones trolling around posting on a Boston blog? Riddle me that one. In case you slow and can't figure it out we're talking about sports and we Bostonians are so over the whole NY sports thing it isn't funny. You have no sports. Isiah Thomas. Eric Ratgina. Hal and Hank. It is too funny. Face facts "I love NY" fanboys we have passed you by and your in our rear view mirror. In the 4 major sports you have 9 Sports Teams to our 4. You have 1 Championship since 2000, and on February 3rd we will have 6. Enjoy your history because it's all you have. Lets compare: Super Bowls: Patriots (2007), 2004, 2003, 2001. NY Giants: 1990, 1986; NY Jets: 1968; Buffalo Bills: None. Boston will have more in 7 years than all 3 NY teams in their history. Since the Giants are really from NJ the last win by a NY team was in 1968. LOL. World Series: Red Sox: 2007, 2004, NY Yanks: Biggest choke in MLB history losing 4 straight games to the Red Sox. Last won in 2000. 22 of 26 Championships are from 1978 or before. Keep living off your past. NY Mets: 1986, 1969. Enjoying Pedro? NBA Championship: Even though our last 4 are from 86, 84, 81, and 76 the last time the NY Knicks won was 73. We have 16 and you 2 championships. We have KG, PP, and RA. We''ll get no 17 before you get no 3. You have the worst coach/GM and ownership in the NBA. Got harassment? You win in Stanley Cups because the Bruins ownership is the worst in the NHL. The NYR won in 1994. Too bad the suck now. Face it. Your now our lil brother and it kills you! You have no present and no future!!!



BARFER
I think some of youse New Yawkers have misconscrewed. We New Englanders dont hate New York, we hate you freakin' New Yorkers! Oh, and by the way, I think everybody should take some time off from the rat race and go to New York. Kick back, relax and take tim to stop and smell the URINE! AHHHHHHHHHHHHHH!



Big Apple
Howard Cosell called them the New York football Giants. Everybody outside of NY & NJ call them the New York Chumps. Poor Eli is going to Choke and end up taking the blame for getting blown out by the Pats. Hey Big Apple bite this.


PatsRock
First thing that comes to my mind when I think NY is - jerks. Aren't these the guys who cheered when Jets' QB Pennington got injured? Arent' these the guys who regularly call for women at the Giants stadium to take their tops off?? Aren't these the guys who boo'ed the heck out of Eli and Giants so much that they ended up having a worse record at home than at road. Also, as much as NY is the self proclaimed media capital blah-blah-blah, it's media is the worst in the world. There is nothing but tabloid news about strippers, sex and drugs on the HEADLINES- Gosh, I am perturbed at the disgust. You can have your UN, Empire state building and statue of liberty. While you are at it, get some civility from your neighbors, will ya?

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Post  RedMagma on Thu Jan 24, 2008 2:48 pm

First player in Yankee history to NOT get overpaid.

Congrats, we party like it's 1994!

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Post  RedMagma on Thu Jan 24, 2008 2:52 pm

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Ben K. says:
January 24th, 2008 at 2:32 pm (Reply)

To the Cano doubters, I offer you a Nate Silver Baseball Prospectus chat:

Tony (Brooklyn, NY): Robinson Cano’s PECOTA? Does he project to be a high-variability player? Thanks!

Nate Silver: He’s not particuarly high-variability. He’s either going to be a pretty good ballplayer like Carlos Baerga or a really freakin’ good ballplayer like … someone better than Carlos Baerga. The scenarios where he crashes and burns are pretty much off the table at this point.

For $30 million over four years, I’d take it. At his peak, Carlos Baerga was a pretty damn good second baseman.
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Ivan says:
January 24th, 2008 at 2:54 pm (Reply)

Cano is a special hitter no question and his defense at second is a plus as well.

The only question with Cano is the desire and how hard is he willing to be great. Plus, Cano tends to be lackidazical and tends to lose focus. You worry about that. Nevertheless, the guy is a great talent, has power to all fields and the only question his offense is his plate disipline which improve in the seocnd half.

You can make the arguement right that other than A-Rod, Cano just might be the best pure hitter in the yankee lineup. I don’t think that’s not crazy to say.
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Tripp says:
January 24th, 2008 at 3:06 pm (Reply)

I’m not saying that he’s not slack sometimes, but I’d like to see some scouting reports that mention this. He has a personal trainer and he keeps himself in shape. Seems as though he’s working for the money.
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Alvaro says:
January 24th, 2008 at 3:31 pm (Reply)

Kudos to the Yanks on this one. I see very little risk here.
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Rob_in_CT says:
January 24th, 2008 at 4:06 pm (Reply)

Gosh, you know, I don’t really see the laspes of attention, at least not since the first year with the airmail throws into LF. His defense has gotten better and better - to the point where I think he’s the best defender on the team (Melky is in the discussion). He’s smooth… he sorta glides, but that’s not lazy, that’s, well, smooth. At the plate, I’ve seen real improvement in plate discipline… which takes work. In short, I call bullshit on the “Cano is lazy” line of thinking.
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Count Zero says:
January 24th, 2008 at 4:08 pm (Reply)

I’ll add my name to the list of people who shake their heads at the “Cano nonchalants it” brigade.

As far as I can see, the only reason people get this impression is that Cano is one of those naturally graceful athletes who make difficult plays look easy. He’s not doggin’ it — he just moves like a dancer. He doesn’t waste energy huffing and puffing, flailing his body around like an Eckstein — he moves efficiently and cleanly with very little expenditure of energy.

That is precisely why he is a potential HOFer. Just consider how much better he got defensively in two years under Bowa — you think he did that by nonchalanting it? With Bowa? Bowa would be hating on him seriously if he was doggin’ it even a little bit.
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steve (different one) says:
January 24th, 2008 at 4:14 pm (Reply)

He doesn’t waste energy huffing and puffing, flailing his body around like an Eckstein — he moves efficiently and cleanly with very little expenditure of energy.

i can think of one other glaring difference between Cano and Eckstein that adds to the perception of “effort”, but i don’t think anyone want to go there.

i will add that the only other Yankee that i hear similar gripes about is Bobby Abreu.

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Count Zero says:
January 24th, 2008 at 4:21 pm (Reply)

Agreed. But’s let just leave that can of worms sealed up in the pantry.

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Post  RedMagma on Thu Jan 24, 2008 2:57 pm

I have been a strong supporter of keeping historic Fenway park in the past. I think the renovations done by the current ownership have made the park much better. I went to Fenway as a kid and like having the oldest park in baseball.

However, I'm starting to come around on the subject.

John Henry on the topic:

"We're always working on increasing revenues, but it?s getting harder and harder to do. The Yankees and the Mets will be greatly helped by their new ballparks which look to be state-of-the-art. They seem very well designed to maximize revenues and to greatly improve the fan experience. The renovations we have been at work on within Fenway, the new ballparks in New York, Washington, Minneapolis - everywhere - these are great for baseball." http://www.bostonherald.com/sports/baseball/red_sox/view.bg?articleid=1068679

I'm not sure where you build a new park exactly, but here's how you do it ---

Make the dimensions of the outfield wall exactly the same. Green Monster, triangle, Pesky pole ... whole deal. Put in a bit more foul territory ... not too much so that the fans are too far away.

Structure the seating however you want, including additional seat on top of the monster, totaling 55,000 plus (up from the current 39,000). Include parking (imagine that) and all the modern bells and whistles, including cleanliness.

Ticket prices may even go DOWN (imagine that), revenues go up, the feel of the old ball park is maintained to an extent ... and more people get to see the Sox! I think this is the most significant thing.

We can't have Fenway as home forever. It's had the chance to host 2 winning WS teams ... it's ready for retirement!

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Post  RedMagma on Thu Jan 24, 2008 2:57 pm

It is not unrealistic to think that Mr. Henrys comments the other day were the opening salvo to just that.

I love Fenway as much as the next guy but I am not sure that keeping it isnt bad buisness....

you think he cant fill a 47,000 seat stadium (or more) everynight as easily as he does a 38,000 seat stadium?

by not having a new stadium he loses money every year he is in buisness.....

also he knows he will be losing some capacity when they continue with the plans to renovate all the seating and put in chairs that arent from the 1920s.....ones that take into consideration that for good or bad people are a little bigger nowadays

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Post  RedMagma on Thu Jan 24, 2008 3:00 pm

5-10 years from now most fans will come to the realization that Fenway is keeping the Sox from competing against the Yankees.

Yankees are going to have a $230 million plus payroll from here on out and will still make more money than any team in baseball.



"Ticket prices may even go DOWN (imagine that)"

No. That won't happen. A good percentage of the additional seating will go to corporate entities, and with a new park there will be several years before the raised interest in tickets (the novelty of the new park) even meets whatever small increase there is in the supply.

New park = higher ticket prices, I guarantee it.

I'm 110% for the Sox building a new Fenway. Fenway is way too small and ticket prices are way too high. Look in the stands during any game at Fenway what do you see? You see all rich yuppies and rich people from the suburbs and New Hampshire with all there little spoiled kids at every single game thats what gets me P/O about the Sox. This also makes the Sox lose alot of fans in the urban Boston area. People in Urban Boston watch the Sox on TV play a game at Fenway (they can't afford to go to a game) and they look into the crowd and see all yuppies, rich people, and their little spoiled rich kids and they say "Wow the Redsox are for losers I don't want to be seen being a fan of the same team as those people look at how nerdy they are" That right there is the truth and I doubt any of you know it. At my school (Cambridge high) noone ever talks about the Redsox (they talk about the Pats and Celtics 24-7) the day after the Sox won the WS everyone came into school like "Did you guys see the Celts game last night?" I'm serious thats how low the Sox have came in urban Boston.

Well, you're probably right that the average ticket price would go up, but there might be some nose bled seats that would be cheaper than the cheapest current ticket ... if that makes sense.

The Red Sox would sell 50,000 tickets to every game no question.

It would be great if they built a new stadium but the problem is that there is zero free space in Boston. They would have to knock down the old park and build a new one where the old one stood in a matter of 4 months. Is it possible? Ehh... Maybe but unlikely.

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Post  RedMagma on Thu Jan 24, 2008 3:16 pm

I'm Yankees Fan you idiot. How about you go way and stop trolling Yes boards. thanks. Your from boston right? Your a fraud and fake Yankee Fan..

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Post  RedMagma on Thu Jan 24, 2008 3:19 pm

Yankees Look to Extend Robinson Cano
http://sports.aol.com/fanhouse/2008/01/24/yankees-look-to-extend-robinson-cano/


Matt WatsonPosted Jan 24th 2008 4:40PM by Matt Watson
Filed under: New York, Yankees, AL East
Robinson CanoRobinson Cano is eligible for arbitration this winter, but if the Yankees have their way, they'll never step foot in the hearing room. Ken Rosenthal of the Sporting News reports that the Yankees are trying to sign Cano to a four-year deal worth $30 million. The Yankees hope the deal can be expanded to a five- or six-year deal with club options, which would lock him up through his first year or two of free agency. There's no telling how much that would cost New York, but I'm guessing at least $10 million a season, if not more.

For a while the Yankees routinely developed their biggest stars -- Derek Jeter, Jorge Posada, Mariano Rivera all came up through the Yankees' minor leagues. They kind of got away from that in the Jason Giambi, Gary Sheffield and Alex Rodriguez era, using their most highly-regarded prospects as trade bait to make deadline deals.

That's an expensive way to operate, though, and considering the Yankees paid out nearly a quarter of a billion dollars in salary last year, it's not a surprise to see them once again favoring their youth (Ian Kennedy, Joba Chamberlain, Philip Hughes) over expensive veterans, even at the expense of acquiring a once-in-a-decade type pitcher like Johan Santana. Locking up Cano is an extension of that "hold onto your own" philosophy, and it's a nice sign to the rest of the youngsters that the team will take care of them in due time.

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Post  RedMagma on Thu Jan 24, 2008 3:27 pm

I wasn't for this deal when his agent was talking Utley money, but this is a good deal if the reported numbers are accurate.

I doubt they lock up Wang since he's already 28, under control for 2 more years and there are questions about his ability to be a frontend starter with no + offspeed pitches (so far).

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