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Post  RedMagma on Wed Jan 30, 2008 3:07 am

The Mets rotation is bunch of Mercenaries only Great Aaron Heilman came from Minors.

Pedro- sign from Redsox

Maine - Trade from Orioles because Mets Owner is so sick of Kris Benso and his wife


El Duque- Former Yankee pitcher - traded from Dbacks

Odaliz Perez - Trade Nady to Pirates to get him.

Pelfrey's stinks and had 0-6 record last year. Hehe Omar Minaya who paid $6 million as signing bonus when He was selected by Mets in 2005 draft.

Meanhile The Yankees had Wang,Hughes,Joba,Kennedy, and Pettite, All Homegrown what do you say now Mets Fans?


Everyone blaming The Yankees for being Evil Empire and ruining baseball. How about Mets? Their whole starting pitching staff is full of mercenaries.. Where is the double Standard?


If Mets Add Johan. Welcome to Darkside Mets !! Smile Along with Redsox, Tigers, and Angels......


Carlos Beltran, Carlos Delgado,Moises Alou, Ryan Church, Brian Schneider, Ruben Gotay, Damion Easley, Luis Castillo,and Endy Chavez all came up from trade or free agents signings from Great Omar Minaya Smile


Carlton, you ignorant Mets Fan, You hate Yankees by calling them Evil Empire , How about Redsox? Called them Evil Empire 2.





Soriano was traded for Alex...


I would say same thing about Mets..


Arcthelad, our of the Mets projected starting rotation... Pedro, Maine, Perez, El Duque, and Pelfrey/Humber/Mulvey, only one of those guys was even a free agent signing. What an idiot you are. The rest of them had no say in the matter so I would pretty much say that takes them out of the mercenary category. Do you even know what that means? Do you just make up things off the top of your head? Who has seen the movie idiocracy? Arcthelad reminds of the stupid people in that movie who insist that the gatorade like substance is the best product that there is to grow crops, even though it hasnt worked in years and has created a nationwide duststorm. They laugh at the logical idea of using water on plants, and only agree to his when Luke Wilson tells them that he can talk to plants and they prefer water. Maybe that is the approach that needs to be taken with arcthelad.




"Then you to take out Curt Schilling from Redsox who came up from Redsox Farm system according to Mets Fan logic."

Or, according to a regular persons logic. Besides, they traded for Schilling, they didnt sign him as a FA. A mercenary is a guy who goes wherever the most money is. Like most of the yankee roster. Guys that are acquired in trades dont fall into this category. Are you really this hard-headed?


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Post  RedMagma on Wed Jan 30, 2008 3:10 am

"I am detecting some bitterness from Boston fans who think that the Twins got "fleeced" because they should have accepted the Red Sox low ball offer. Fact is, Twins were ready to trade Santana to Boston if the Red Sox would have included Ellsbury AND Lester along with two with two leaguers (Masterson and Lowrie mentioned most often). Both players are essentially spare parts for the Red Sox this season although both have a lot of upside.

Adding Santana - who would have made the Red Sox rotation the best in the AL at the cost of Ellsbury and Lester - seemed like a no brainer for the Red Sox. But, Mr. Epstein refused, which left the Twins with no alternative but say no thank you to Boston and to look elsewhere. Perhaps Lester or Ellsbury have higher ceilings than any of the four Mets coming to the Twins. The Twins obviously thought that the Mets offer of the four players was a better offer than the Red Sox offer of either Lester or Ellsbury.

If the Red Sox rotation runs into problems this season and Santana is his usual dominant self, Red Sox fans should quickly point the finger at Mr. Epstein. He had the chance to land Santana but he passed. Good decision or bad one - only time will tell"


I am also detecting something, but I think it's simply an idiot with an opinion.

Santana gets traded for this less than thrilling mets package and you're trying to say Sox fans should be upset at Theo for not dealing Lester/Ellsbury/Lowrie/Masterson??

Based on where these respective prospects are in any top 100 the sox would have been massively overpaying

MASSIVELY

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Post  RedMagma on Wed Jan 30, 2008 3:18 am

As a Yankee Fan, I'm happy for the Mets that they have Santana rather than Boston Redsox. I would rather have Mets have him than Evil Empire 2 known as Redsox. Good Job by Omar. I read an article somewhere that Hank's says The Mets needs Santana the most. I think Twins Gm Bill Smith use the Redsox and Yankees to get out more prospects from these two teams.

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Post  RedMagma on Wed Jan 30, 2008 3:19 am

Yankees deserve assist in Mets' Santana deal

Ken Davidoff
January 30, 2008

http://www.newsday.com/sports/baseball/mets/ny-spken305556864jan30,0,548551.column?track=rss


In this crazy world of New York baseball, it just might turn out that, when the Mets complete their miraculous acquisition of Johan Santana, they should thank the Steinbrenner boys most of all.

Hank and Hal Steinbrenner, George's sons - who, a year ago at this time, had virtually nothing to do with Major League Baseball - unwittingly engineered a bait-and-switch that concluded with one of the most glorious moments in the Mets' history.

Hank, with his boisterous talk and his tossing of money at Jorge Posada, Mariano Rivera and Alex Rodriguez, convinced Twins general manager Bill Smith that he had a dupe on his hands. That the longer he dangled Santana, the more Hank would salivate like Wimpy in front of a hamburger.


Hal, the quiet, younger sibling - with an assist from Yankees general manager Brian Cashman - ensured that moment of desperation would never come.

It turned into a remarkable misreading by Smith of his potential trading partners. This isn't to say that, five years from now, we won't be praising Smith for his vision in taking Carlos Gomez, Deolis Guerra, Phil Humber and Kevin Mulvey. But you won't find a non-Twins executive in the industry who would choose that package over one fronted by the Yankees' Phil Hughes, Boston's Jon Lester or Lester's teammate Jacoby Ellsbury.

Smith's patience and high demands worked as a strategy only if he were willing to take Santana into spring training with him. After all, the Twins, with Santana aboard, could have made a bona fide run at the World Series. The A's Billy Beane has shown there's no shame in carrying a player through his walk year - be it Jason Giambi, Miguel Tejada or Barry Zito - and then picking up compensatory draft picks for him as he departs.

Yet that turned out not to be a real option for the Twins. According to a person briefed on the Twins' thinking, manager Ron Gardenhire believed that Torii Hunter's impending free agency served as a yearlong distraction in 2007, and he didn't want to go through that again with Santana.

Granted, Santana would have attracted far more media scrutiny than did Hunter. But come on, now. Suck it up and work through such lightweight stuff. The Mets, Yankees and Red Sox deal with high-profile players in their walk year pretty much every year, and they seem to do all right.

So to the trade offers Smith went, and he let the Yankees' package of Hughes and Melky Cabrera go by, asking for Ian Kennedy, as well. The Yankees, already skittish about including just Hughes, passed, and they eventually took Hughes off the table altogether. The Red Sox's interest never seemed to surpass an interest in making sure the Yankees didn't get Santana at a bargain rate.

Remember how the Yankees folded on their "We won't sign A-Rod if he opts out" pledge? The Twins did - too much, it seems. They equated that situation with the Santana trade discussions.

But it was apples and oranges. The A-Rod threat served as mere rhetoric. Ultimately, the Yankees still believed their best move for third base was to re-sign A-Rod, and once A-Rod renounced Scott Boras, it all came together. This time, however, Cashman believed that the better baseball maneuver was to keep Hughes. Hal Steinbrenner believed that the team's payroll was high enough, as it was.

And Hank Steinbrenner, impetuous as he may seem, served as no match against that duo.

Enter the Mets, who, to their credit, hung in there when the Twins kept asking for first Jose Reyes and then Fernando Martinez. Who refused to give up and sign a Kyle Lohse or Livan Hernandez until Santana's fate was settled.

Who have now successfully changed the conversation about them, after The Collapse hovered for almost four months.

Great work by the Mets, yet they couldn't have done it without some help from the Yankees, and some incompetence by the Twins.

They say it takes a village. Consider the Triborough Bridge the midpoint of baseball's oddest village.

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Post  RedMagma on Wed Jan 30, 2008 3:24 am

"Yankees have a change of philosophy" instead of "Yankees got schooled by Omar." He said very little, held his poker face and got his man while giving up way less than the Yankees or Sox were ever offering.


HAHHAHA, Are you for real? I am happy the Mets got Santana, but come on. Do you really think your offer was better? Sorry, the Twins played themselves into a lower deal by trying to pit the Sox and Yanks against each other. Both teams had better original offers than the Twins received. That is just fact. Cashman was against giving up our youth for Santana from the start. Nor did he want to give a pitcher a 7 year deal!

So, the Yanks did have a change and pulled Hughes. Omar did a nice job, played it quiet and didn't panic. Omar said he would get a front line starter and delivered, DESPITE all the Omar bashing that took place early on. I give Omar tons of credit, but he did not "SCHOOL" the Yankees. PLEASE

Before you start, I am not a bitter Yankees fan. I was happy when you got Beltran, I thought he was overpriced. I am happy you got Santana, I didn't want him in Boston! You are now the Faves in the NL and may have forced teams like the Cubs into giving up their prospects to get Bedard/ Roberts just to try to contend for the NL title.


Oh, BTW, who gives a shit how the media spins it, You have Santana. Enjoy your season


My whole point was that the Yankees DID have the better offer. They got scared of getting into a bidding war and were afraid to repeat mistakes of loading a bunch of money into another all-star. If they played their cards right, they could have had Santana for a lot less than they wanted to give up. You can't deny that Omar was the better GM here.
Now I'm not a Yankee hater, far from it. I just find it funny when the first thing you hear from beat writers for the Yankees treating it as they just let the Mets have him.
Anyway, I think you guys will have a good shot this year with some new blood in the clubhouse and some younger guys stepping in. Best of luck.

And don't worry, the Giants in the Superbowl, the Mets landing Santana . . . I am enjoying every second of this

My whole point was that the Yankees DID have the better offer. They got scared of getting into a bidding war and were afraid to repeat mistakes of loading a bunch of money into another all-star. If they played their cards right, they could have had Santana for a lot less than they wanted to give up. You can't deny that Omar was the better GM here.
Now I'm not a Yankee hater, far from it. I just find it funny when the first thing you hear from beat writers for the Yankees treating it as they just let the Mets have him.
Anyway, I think you guys will have a good shot this year with some new blood in the clubhouse and some younger guys stepping in. Best of luck.

And don't worry, the Giants in the Superbowl, the Mets landing Santana . . . I am enjoying every second of this

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Yankees deserve assist in Mets' Santana deal

Ken Davidoff
January 30, 2008

http://www.newsday.com/sports/baseball/mets/ny-spken305556864jan30,0,548551.column?track=rss


In this crazy world of New York baseball, it just might turn out that, when the Mets complete their miraculous acquisition of Johan Santana, they should thank the Steinbrenner boys most of all.

Hank and Hal Steinbrenner, George's sons - who, a year ago at this time, had virtually nothing to do with Major League Baseball - unwittingly engineered a bait-and-switch that concluded with one of the most glorious moments in the Mets' history.

Hank, with his boisterous talk and his tossing of money at Jorge Posada, Mariano Rivera and Alex Rodriguez, convinced Twins general manager Bill Smith that he had a dupe on his hands. That the longer he dangled Santana, the more Hank would salivate like Wimpy in front of a hamburger.


Hal, the quiet, younger sibling - with an assist from Yankees general manager Brian Cashman - ensured that moment of desperation would never come.


It turned into a remarkable misreading by Smith of his potential trading partners. This isn't to say that, five years from now, we won't be praising Smith for his vision in taking Carlos Gomez, Deolis Guerra, Phil Humber and Kevin Mulvey. But you won't find a non-Twins executive in the industry who would choose that package over one fronted by the Yankees' Phil Hughes, Boston's Jon Lester or Lester's teammate Jacoby Ellsbury.

Smith's patience and high demands worked as a strategy only if he were willing to take Santana into spring training with him. After all, the Twins, with Santana aboard, could have made a bona fide run at the World Series. The A's Billy Beane has shown there's no shame in carrying a player through his walk year - be it Jason Giambi, Miguel Tejada or Barry Zito - and then picking up compensatory draft picks for him as he departs.

Yet that turned out not to be a real option for the Twins. According to a person briefed on the Twins' thinking, manager Ron Gardenhire believed that Torii Hunter's impending free agency served as a yearlong distraction in 2007, and he didn't want to go through that again with Santana.

Granted, Santana would have attracted far more media scrutiny than did Hunter. But come on, now. Suck it up and work through such lightweight stuff. The Mets, Yankees and Red Sox deal with high-profile players in their walk year pretty much every year, and they seem to do all right.

So to the trade offers Smith went, and he let the Yankees' package of Hughes and Melky Cabrera go by, asking for Ian Kennedy, as well. The Yankees, already skittish about including just Hughes, passed, and they eventually took Hughes off the table altogether. The Red Sox's interest never seemed to surpass an interest in making sure the Yankees didn't get Santana at a bargain rate.

Remember how the Yankees folded on their "We won't sign A-Rod if he opts out" pledge? The Twins did - too much, it seems. They equated that situation with the Santana trade discussions.

But it was apples and oranges. The A-Rod threat served as mere rhetoric. Ultimately, the Yankees still believed their best move for third base was to re-sign A-Rod, and once A-Rod renounced Scott Boras, it all came together. This time, however, Cashman believed that the better baseball maneuver was to keep Hughes. Hal Steinbrenner believed that the team's payroll was high enough, as it was.

And Hank Steinbrenner, impetuous as he may seem, served as no match against that duo.

Enter the Mets, who, to their credit, hung in there when the Twins kept asking for first Jose Reyes and then Fernando Martinez. Who refused to give up and sign a Kyle Lohse or Livan Hernandez until Santana's fate was settled.

Who have now successfully changed the conversation about them, after The Collapse hovered for almost four months.

Great work by the Mets, yet they couldn't have done it without some help from the Yankees, and some incompetence by the Twins.

They say it takes a village. Consider the Triborough Bridge the midpoint of baseball's oddest village.




I read an article somewhere that Hank's willing to be patient and Hank says He understand Mets needs Santana the most. As a Yankee Fan, I'm happy for Mets that They have Santana rather than Boston Redsox.

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Post  RedMagma on Wed Jan 30, 2008 3:34 am

Young core intact after Yanks stand pat
Mets' acquisition of ace Santana ends trade speculation
By Bryan Hoch / MLB.com


http://mlb.mlb.com/news/article.jsp?ymd=20080129&content_id=2359657&vkey=news_nyy&fext=.jsp&c_id=nyy&partnered=rss_nyy



NEW YORK -- Eight weeks ago, Johan Santana was the talk of a hotel lobby in Nashville, Tenn., and not a single participant would have been shocked to learn the hurler's eventual destination to be New York.

But for the left-hander to be on his way to Queens and not the Bronx? Few would have anticipated that, and that almost certainly included Yankees senior vice president Hank Steinbrenner.

In the end, the Yankees decided the cost of acquiring Santana would have been too prohibitive, both in terms of the financial sums involved and also the package of young players the Twins anticipated in return.

Though Steinbrenner's desire for the two-time Cy Young Award winner was unquestionable -- as well as his candor and bluster in discussing the Hot Stove heartthrob -- other factions of the Yankees organization favored staying the course.

Hal Steinbrenner, a general partner of the club heavily invested in financial matters, was known to be opposed, as was Yankees general manager Brian Cashman, who favored keeping the pitching staff intact through its transition.

The latter had confirmed the club's stance in recent days, doing so publicly last week while speaking at William Paterson University in Wayne, N.J.

"My strong recommendation is that we stick with our young pitching and keep it in-house," Cashman said, drawing cheers from an audience of about 900.

Cashman and Steinbrenner were unavailable for comment on Monday.

With Santana apparently on his way over the Triboro Bridge to Shea Stadium -- needing only a contract extension to confirm a workload ripe with weak-hitting pitchers and defense-friendly dimensions -- the Yankees remain on track as pitchers and catchers begin to filter into Legends Field in Tampa, Fla.

Showcasing their "Big Three" pitching prospects of Joba Chamberlain, Phil Hughes and Ian Kennedy as strong contenders for the rotation, the Yankees plan to have six men vying for five slots, joined by Chien-Ming Wang, Andy Pettitte and Mike Mussina.

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They were considered favorites at one point to add Santana, though, and the Yankees did little to hide their interest. Pushing forward in early December, Steinbrenner's outspoken fashion left no doubt and prompted many to speculate a major announcement could be made in Nashville.

Though initially reluctant to offer the 21-year-old right-hander Hughes in a trade proposal, the Yankees eventually relented, putting Hughes on the table as part of a four-player package that also reportedly included outfielder Melky Cabrera, right-hander Jeff Marquez and infielder Mitch Hilligoss.

Keeping the Red Sox involved, Twins general manager Bill Smith reportedly used the opportunity to press for more. The Yankees, insiders insisted, would not include both Hughes and 23-year-old right-hander Kennedy in the same trade.

Some speculated that Boston and New York had been pitted against each other to create a bidding war; that maneuver prolonged the process and effectively snuffed out chances of reaching a final decision in Nashville.

While Cashman played it coy, refusing to as much as acknowledge that the Twins possessed a left-handed pitcher named Santana, Steinbrenner wasn't nearly as shy. Through Steinbrenner, the Yankees issued an ultimatum that if a deal was not reached by the final day of the Winter Meetings, the Hughes package would be pulled.

Though Cashman and Smith maintained intermittent contact for weeks after, the Yankees seemed prepared to fade into the backdrop of the Santana rumor mill, allowing the Red Sox and Mets to jockey for status as the media's front-running choice.

With a finish line in sight, the daily routine of monitoring Steinbrenner for the latest blow-by-blow accounts of activity with the Twins should cease. Admitting recently that even he had been beginning to waver on his stance for putting Santana in pinstripes, Steinbrenner has said that he is comfortable with keeping the rotation as is.

Then again, if the Yankees' non-pursuit of Santana turns out to be a misstep in Steinbrenner's eyes, some in the hierarchy could be held accountable.

Steinbrenner said as much in a lengthy interview last week with The Associated Press in his Legends Field office. The young elephants may be in the tent, but let there be little doubt: The Boss, and all that title stands for in the Yankees universe, is alive and well.

"I will be patient with the young pitchers and players. There's no question about that because I know how these players develop," Steinbrenner said. "But as far as missing the playoffs -- if we miss the playoffs by the end of this year, I don't know how patient I'll be.

"But it won't be against the players. It won't be a matter of that. It will be a matter of maybe certain people in the organization could have done something else

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Post  RedMagma on Wed Jan 30, 2008 4:14 am

The Mets rotation is bunch of Mercenaries only Great Aaron Heilman came from Minors.

Pedro- sign from Redsox

Maine - Trade from Orioles because Mets Owner is so sick of Kris Benso and his wife


El Duque- Former Yankee pitcher - traded from Dbacks

Odaliz Perez - Trade Nady to Pirates to get him.

Pelfrey's stinks and had 0-6 record last year. Hehe Omar Minaya who paid $6 million as signing bonus when He was selected by Mets in 2005 draft.

Meanhile The Yankees had Wang,Hughes,Joba,Kennedy, and Pettite, All Homegrown what do you say now Mets Fans?


Everyone blaming The Yankees for being Evil Empire and ruining baseball. How about Mets? Their whole starting pitching staff is full of mercenaries.. Where is the double Standard?


If Mets Add Johan. Welcome to Darkside Mets !! Smile Along with Redsox, Tigers, and Angels......


Carlos Beltran, Carlos Delgado,Moises Alou, Ryan Church, Brian Schneider, Ruben Gotay, Damion Easley, Luis Castillo,and Endy Chavez all came up from trade or free agents signings from Great Omar Minaya Smile


Carlton, you ignorant Mets Fan, You hate Yankees by calling them Evil Empire , How about Redsox? Called them Evil Empire 2.

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Steve Phillips on the Santana trade: "This deal in my mind puts the Mets at the top of the heap in the National League. I think it gives them the most depth in the starting rotation -- I think the Diamondbacks have a formidable rotation as well if Randy Johnson comes back -- but when you look at the rest of the team for the Mets, they have power, they have speed, they have a dominant closer in Billy Wager. There's no real glaring hole on this club. Maybe depth in the rotation..." (1/29/2008)

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Post  RedMagma on Wed Jan 30, 2008 4:19 am

Sounds like Johan is committed to being here and is willing to take a discount (if that's the best way to put it). Greenberg could probably hold out for 7/175 , but it looks like him and Johan are willing to do it for a more reasonable 6/130.

Looking forward in 2009 (these are average annual salaries, which are used for cap calculations):

SP - Santana, 22 million
SP - Maine, 4 million? (arbitration)
SP - open
SP - open
SP - Pelfrey, 2 million
CL - Wagner, 11 million

1B - open
2B - Castillo, 6
3B - Wright, 9
SS - Reyes, 6
LF - Martinez, 1
CF - Beltran, 17
RF - Church, 3 (?)
C - Schiender, 5

Bench and bullpen: 10 (probably a high estimate)

That's 95 million. Assuming the Mets will go to 130, (which is actually closer to 140-145 because the salary cap includes costs of benefits) that's 35 million to spend on 2 starters and a 1B.



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Sounds like Johan is committed to being here and is willing to take a discount (if that's the best way to put it). Greenberg could probably hold out for 7/175 , but it looks like him and Johan are willing to do it for a more reasonable 6/130.

Looking forward in 2009 (these are average annual salaries, which are used for cap calculations):

SP - Santana, 22 million
SP - Maine, 4 million? (arbitration)
SP - open
SP - open
SP - Pelfrey, 2 million
CL - Wagner, 11 million

1B - open
2B - Castillo, 6
3B - Wright, 9
SS - Reyes, 6
LF - Martinez, 1
CF - Beltran, 17
RF - Church, 3 (?)
C - Schiender, 5

Bench and bullpen: 10 (probably a high estimate)

That's 95 million. Assuming the Mets will go to 130, (which is actually closer to 140-145 because the salary cap includes costs of benefits) that's 35 million to spend on 2 starters and a 1B.


CC Sabathia is a Free agent lol after next year... want him?





But you really do have to go back to Gibson, maybe Koufax, to find a pitcher likely to hypnotize NL hitters the way Santana should the next few seasons for the New York Mets. The agreed-upon trade that would send him from the Minnesota Twins to the Mets—assuming the Mets sign him to a contract extension before a Friday deadline—is the most significant move in baseball since the Rangers traded Alex Rodriguez to the Yankees.

Because the 28-year-old Santana is taking his eye-popping fastball-changeup combination from the hitting-heavy AL to the pale and sickly NL, he becomes not just a good bet to win 20-plus games but to string together a bunch of seasons with an ERA below 2.00.

Santana has led the AL in fewest baserunners allowed per nine innings for the last four years, a feat that never had been done in that league and by only Carl Hubbell (1931-34) and Koufax (1962-65) in the NL. During those four years, he averaged more than a strikeout per inning, threw at least 219 innings and had at least 4.5 strikeouts for every walk. That never had been done even two years in a row in the AL.

http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/baseball/cubs/cs-080129-phil-rogers-johan-santana-new-york-mets,1,4386230.column



As a small-market team, the Twins concluded they did not have the resources to pay Santana what he was seeking. Of the four players they are receiving, Gómez is the centerpiece, having proved in 58 games with the Mets last season that he has exceptional speed and is a talented defender. It is unclear what kind of hitter he can become. Humber and Mulvey, the Mets’ top draft picks in 2004 and 2006, project, at best, as No. 3 or No. 4 starters in the majors.

In fact, it was the inclusion of Guerra, a precocious 18-year-old who pitched last season at Class A St. Lucie, that clinched the deal.

“There’s no can’t-miss guy here,” said Jim Callis, the executive editor of Baseball America. “If Guerra became everything he could be, and Gómez became everything he could be, then it could be a pretty good deal.

As for the Yankees, they pursued Santana at the start of the off-season and believed they had enough young players to entice Minnesota. But as the weeks went by, General Manager Brian Cashman seemed more and more reluctant to push for a deal, and in the end the Yankees passed, refusing to increase their bid even if meant that the rival Mets would land one of the biggest names in the game.

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/01/30/sports/baseball/30mets.html?em&ex=1201842000&en=3c3bd26fe968cbc5&ei=5087%0A



The trade remains pending until Santana passes a physical — that's the easy part — and Santana's agent, Peter Greenberg, secures a six- or seven-year contract extension for around $25 million per — that's the hard part.

Minaya now needs the Wilpons, father Fred and son Jeff, to unlock the necessary bucks from the vault in Flushing to finish off what he started.

You'd think it's a no-brainer, but you never know.

The Mets have been granted a window of 72 hours to make this deal a reality.

They have 72 hours to maintain their sanity and make Team Santana happy campers and resist the temptation to play some hardball trying to negotiate the guy out of a final year or two, insisting that he's not offering anything more than five years and that's that.

This is no time to get cheap.

Or petty.

Or ungrateful.

You don't get greedy when you've been handed a gift of a deal like this on a silver platter.

You give Santana what he wants and you sneak away before anyone realizes what a steal you've pulled off.

And you give your fans what they so much deserve after enduring that nightmare of a season last year, a season they'll never forget for as long as they live, the sting of which still hasn't eased in their psyches.

http://www.recordonline.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20080130/SPORTS/801300343/-1/SPORTS


The Sox' offers did not differ dramatically from those they presented at the outset: One package featured pitcher Jon Lester, the other center fielder Jacoby Ellsbury. The Sox refused to include both players in the deal, according to several officials with direct knowledge of the talks, and in the end felt their offers trumped that of the Mets, though one club official said yesterday he anticipated that the Twins would take New York's.

But there was considerable doubt within Red Sox executive offices that even if they'd struck a deal, they would have been able to sign Santana, who turned down a four-year, $80 million extension from the Twins and reportedly is seeking a six-year deal for as much as $25 million annually "I don't necessarily think it's a done deal for the Mets, either," one Sox official said yesterday, "if that's what Santana really wants."

http://www.boston.com/sports/baseball/redsox/articles/2008/01/30/twins_have_met_their_match_for_santana/

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Post  RedMagma on Wed Jan 30, 2008 4:22 am

From USA Today article quotes from Torii Hunter:


"The Mets are not only getting a Cy Young winner," Hunter said, "but an absolute bulldog who?s great in the clubhouse. He's going to dominate that league. They're going to absolutely love him in New York."

"I know he's happy, too, because he really wanted to go to the Mets. He's always wanted to swing the wood. He can hit.

"So I don't know who's happier, Johan, the Mets, or everyone in the American League because they don't have to face him anymore."




Fact: Santana wanted out. I've been told by people who know him that he longs to pitch in New York, for more money, a large Latin American community and a team he feels is determined to win a World Series in the near future.

Fans love to delude themselves into believing that all of "our" athletes want to stay here, but "our" athletes grew up in other states or countries and view baseball teams the way we view companies in our chosen industry.

Santana was looking for a better deal, and when we learn of the contract he'll sign with the Mets, we will know that he found a better deal -- perhaps $130 million over six years.

The public debate today should not be over whether the Twins should have traded Santana; it should be over whether they chose the right place to trade Santana.

http://www.startribune.com/sports/twins/14848406.html




mets.man wrote:
To Gammons and Olney and all the other haters who said the Mets prospects are not up to snuff for Santana:

Stick it in your ear!

And to the ready made excuses sure to come: (Oh, the Red Sox and Yankees dropped out bla bla bla...)

Stick it in your ear!


Fellow Mets fans, don't believe the hype. Sure the Yanks dropped out. Just like they would never renegotiate with Arod. (They tried in case you wondered) Just like Arod was gone for good when he opted out. Not only did he come back, they gave him pretty much what he was looking for!

Suddenly the Yanks wouldn't do Hughes and Cabrera for Santana? The money is too much? Yeah right. I must of got off at the wrong universe. Therefore, Gomez/Guerra/H/M > Hughes/Cabrera/etc. That's from the Twins scouts.


Maybe the Red Sox did take Lester off the table. That still leaves an Ellsbury package, who's known as a better prospect and major league ready for CF right now, compared to Gomez.

I'll take the tacit approval of Twins scouts (the same scouts who found Santana, Liriano, Nathan and many more) over the balderdash hype of sportswriters any day.

Only the insiders know what went down, my IMO it's likely the Twins tried to play off the Red Sox and Yanks for a MONSTER package, Johan said 'time's up', Yanks/Sox didn't take the bait and Minny took what they felt was the offer with the most upside all along: The METS.

Great trade for the Mets, and if injuries don't cripple the prospects, 5 years from now the trade will be in the Twins favor. (and I hope it does, nothing wrong with a win-win trade)

GO METS! Enjoy the NL Pennant winning year fellow Mets fans!

I'm black & blue from pinching myself! I still can't believe that none of F-Mart, Pelfrey or Heilman had to be dealt. This is a great day for the Mets organization and its fans. I hope that our former prospects go on to have stellar careers and Johan continues to dominate. Johan, Pedro, Perez, Maine, & El Duque. That's one sick rotation! Very Happy Cool

LET'S GO METS!!!



Santana forced the trade- LEN3

"“According to a person familiar with negotiations, Santana and his agent, Peter Greenberg, gave the Twins a Tuesday deadline to get a deal done or Santana would invoke his no-trade clause and remain with the Twins through the 2008 season. If that had happened, he would have left the team as a free agent at the end of the season, and the Twins would have received only two draft picks as compensation.

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Post  RedMagma on Wed Jan 30, 2008 4:24 am

Mets agree to trade for Johan Santana

http://www.newsday.com/sports/baseball/mets/ny-spmets0130,0,2493981.story

The Mets can't change history, but they certainly made it easier for everyone to forget the unfortunate events of last September by agreeing to terms Tuesday on a trade for Johan Santana, who could be atop the rotation as early as today if a contract extension can be completed that quickly.

After weeks of lagging behind the Yankees and Red Sox in a three-team race for Santana, the Mets got their opening this month when the American League East rivals seemed to lose interest. Despite the mounting pressure to improve his club, general manager Omar Minaya stood firm on a package of prospects that never included the one player the Twins most wanted: Jose Reyes.

Minnesota GM Bill Smith relented Tuesday and accepted outfielder Carlos Gomez along with a trio of pitchers: Philip Humber, Kevin Mulvey and Deolis Guerra. The deal is contingent on the Mets and Santana hammering out a contract extension in 72 hours, and team officials will meet today with Santana's agent, Peter Greenberg.


That is the last obstacle for Santana to officially waive his no-trade clause. Each player also must pass a physical.

Santana, a pending free agent who is due $13.25 million this season, reportedly is seeking a seven-year deal worth $140 million. The Mets lost out on Barry Zito last winter when they refused to go beyond five years and the club's decision-makers initially said they had no plans to do so with Santana.

But that policy may have to loosen now that the Mets are on the verge of locking up the two-time Cy Young Award winner, who turns 29 in March. Team officials were optimistic last night that a deal would be worked out.

Minaya would rather give Santana a higher annual salary for fewer years, but it's likely the Mets will compromise and give him a six-year deal with vesting options based on innings pitched. It should help that the Mets have a good relationship with Greenberg, who also represents Reyes and Endy Chavez.

The Mets were tight-lipped last night about the trade. But according to one person familiar with the situation, the talks heated up Monday night and Guerra was not added until Tuesday. The Twins liked Gomez and Mulvey, and once Guerra -- the club's top-rated pitching prospect -- was included, the Mets told the Twins it was their "best and final" offer.

If Minnesota had balked again, the Mets were prepared to walk away from Santana, with one team official describing Plan B as Kyle Lohse and Plan C as Livan Hernandez. Fortunately for the Mets, it didn't come down to that.

Minaya did not address Santana specifically when asked about the three-time All-Star before last night's Baseball Assistance Team dinner at the Marriott Marquis in Times Square.

"The bottom line is we're going to continue to look for ways to improve our club," Minaya said, "whether it's through the free-agent market or by talking to other clubs."

Was the GM optimistic he could get something done?

"I always try to be optimistic," Minaya said, "about how we're going in our efforts."

Getting Santana is a coup for the Mets, whose biggest offseason move had been trading Lastings Milledge to the Nationals for outfielder Ryan Church and catcher Brian Schneider. Otherwise, Minaya had done nothing to improve a starting rotation that left too much responsibility on the surgically repaired shoulder of Pedro Martinez.

But after flirting with the idea of signing Lohse or Hernandez over the weekend, the Mets remained patient as Santana became more restless. With less than three weeks until spring training, Minaya used the ticking clock to his advantage. For his Twins counterpart, it was more like a time bomb.

With just a handful of teams able to pay Santana, and only three willing to do so, Smith was stuck with few options from the outset. He appeared to be on the brink of accepting a Red Sox package headlined by pitcher Jon Lester during the winter meetings in Nashville seven weeks ago, but opted to wait for an improved offer that never materialized. The Yankees were prepared to send Phil Hughes and Melky Cabrera to Minnesota, but lost patience with Smith and withdrew earlier this month.

That left the Mets.

"If it's true," David Wright said Tuesday, "you're getting arguably the best pitcher in the game."

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Post  RedMagma on Wed Jan 30, 2008 4:25 am

im A.,

Fortunately I am okay now, and not like, murdering anyone with a DWI.

I quote from the NY Post, January 29th, 2008, National NY Post edition, page 12 of Cindy Adams "Sports Memorabilia raises questions."

Article states ...

"I was told Jim Leyritz, whose alleged druken driving [twice the allowed BAC] caused a woman's death [leaving behind two children] was to give autographs at a 'Yankee Pride' show featuring the 1998 World Series champs."

YANKEE PRIDE SHOW?

Jim A, my friend, you know I like you and your son, mailed you the Field of Dreams stuff bla bla bla.

Should a man who murdered a woman, while drunk, sign autographs at a TEAM function? Official YANKEE TEAM FUNCTION so soon after this horrible nightmare has unfolded?

Consider the rest of the darkness hovering over this team this offseason ...

Again, only two teams would dare to do business with the Peking people in spite of their horrible human rights abuses. The Yanks are one. Theo's boys are the other. (Big surprise. So much for Holocaust denial: Tibet, forced sterilization, slave labor, bla bla bla)

Do YOU AGREE Jim, my friend, that the Yanks should have an official team function and have Leyritz there signing autographs a month after his murder of this poor woman?

I spoke with the police here in Florida. They ALL say he is going to jail and will lose millions.

Why isn't he in mourning? Why be out there singing autographs with the team?

Doesn't he have a soul?

Doesn't the team have a soul?

Don't the fans have a soul?

Yes, he should be forgiven. But it's too soon right now to carry on as normal.

Yes?

No?


Posted by Linda Richmond | January 29, 2008 22:13


I know how to fix the world ...

Joba in the Pen

Ron Paul as President

George Bush Jr. as President of Iraq

Hillary Grand Marshall in the PRC Politburo

Colby Rasmus in CF

Igawa back to Japan

Giambi, Mussina and Damon to San Diego

Why not?


Posted by Casual Observer | January 29, 2008 22:17

I, for one, am elated that Santana is in the NL. Neither the Sox or the Yanks gave away the farm for him.....as far as I'm concerned, everyone except possibly the Twinks won with this deal.


Posted by Casual Observer | January 29, 2008 22:23

Now that Johan is out of the picture...so to speak, we can debate who has the "upper hand" in the AL east. It should be a pretty good debate...because both the Sox and Yanks are going to be reliant on the very same kids they were (almost) willing to trade for Santana.


Posted by Nudge | January 29, 2008 22:25

Ant and Omar have the last word!


Posted by Viper | January 30, 2008 02:54

Just shut up, Ant.

Nobody cares what you think about world events or morality.


Posted by Sully | January 30, 2008 04:51

I do have to agree with Ant that having that killer Leyritz signing autographs so soon after murdering that woman is pretty bad

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Post  RedMagma on Wed Jan 30, 2008 4:29 am

I think the twin just wanted Santana out of the AL. I read this a couple of mintues ago and I think we got very lucky they did not take the red sox package, but boy is Smith an idiot for not talking the Ellsbury deal:

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UPDATE, 7:10 p.m.: Minnesota called the Yankees today, hoping to get some sort of offer. Brian Cashman didn’t budge.

Boston reportedly took Jon Lester off the table and was offering a package led by Jacoby Ellsbury and Jed Lowrie.

http://yankees.lhblogs.com/

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Post  RedMagma on Wed Jan 30, 2008 4:30 am

I think what happened was the Twins got jammed. They simply ran out of time - and JS was breathing down their necks to get something done. With the Yanks not making a final offer - and the Red Sox pulling out of it - all the Twins had left was the Mets.

Simply unbelieveable! So frustrating!

Good for the Mets - not so good for the Yanks. Oh well...
Whatever...it's still the dam Yankees! We're still the E

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Post  RedMagma on Wed Jan 30, 2008 4:32 am

Get this through your heads
Messiah717 Post #1: Jan 29, 9:52 pm Quote | Report Violation
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The Yankees offered Hughes and the Twins didn't take the deal. It's not like the Yankees weren't willing to trade him for Santana. What Hughes and Santana do from here on out have nothing to do with each other.
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Agreed.

But man, what a steal by Minaya. Can't believe Smith couldn't even come out with Martinez in the deal.
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The Yankees offered Hughes and the Twins didn't take the deal. It's not like the Yankees weren't willing to trade him for Santana. What Hughes and Santana do from here on out have nothing to do with each other.


Well said. Just because the Mets bent the Twins over the table has nothing to do with our situation in this whole mess. Obviously if the Twins were asking for a similiar package from the Yankees, perhaps Austin Jackson, McCutchen and Horne it would have happened.
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Perhaps Cashman and Theo are smarter then everyone thinks and just weren't going to play the Twins game anymore.
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The Yankees offered Hughes and the Twins didn't take the deal. It's not like the Yankees weren't willing to trade him for Santana. What Hughes and Santana do from here on out have nothing to do with each other.


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fair enough. good point. So,what you're saying is the Twins preferred the Mets package over Hughes,Melky,Marquez and another prospect?
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The Yankees offered Hughes and the Twins didn't take the deal. It's not like the Yankees weren't willing to trade him for Santana. What Hughes and Santana do from here on out have nothing to do with each other.


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fair enough. good point. So,what you're saying is the Twins preferred the Mets package over Hughes,Melky,Marquez and another prospect?



Well......yeah
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Theres no way the Twins took the Mets offer over the Yankees offer if Hughes/Melky/Marquez were available in a package.
Also no way the Twins would take the Mets offer over Lester/Masterson/Lowrie
the mets offer is horrible. Every report for the last week has said the Yankees are out of the mix, they pulled out of the bidding. Once the Yankees were out of the bidding, the Sox had no reason to keep their offer in. Once Bill Smith saw both teams were out he had to take whatever the mets would give him. Which is why he couldn't get F-Mart.

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The Yankees offered Hughes and the Twins didn't take the deal. It's not like the Yankees weren't willing to trade him for Santana. What Hughes and Santana do from here on out have nothing to do with each other.


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fair enough. good point. So,what you're saying is the Twins preferred the Mets package over Hughes,Melky,Marquez and another prospect?

The NYM didn't have a package at the winter meetings. Saying the Twins prefered this package opposed to one with Hughes as the centerpiece is chasing ghosts. They were never offered at the same time. A deal at the winter meetings is also alot different than 2 weeks before pitchers and catchers report - and you have to dump the player.

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The longer that Smith waited, the worst of a deal Minny was going to get. Some Twins' fans were even content in moving Santana at the deadline... boy that would've been stupid.
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Theres no way the Twins took the Mets offer over the Yankees offer if Hughes/Melky/Marquez were available in a package.
Also no way the Twins would take the Mets offer over Lester/Masterson/Lowrie
the mets offer is horrible. Every report for the last week has said the Yankees are out of the mix, they pulled out of the bidding. Once the Yankees were out of the bidding, the Sox had no reason to keep their offer in. Once Bill Smith saw both teams were out he had to take whatever the mets would give him. Which is why he couldn't get F-Mart.

Bill Smith - G.M. of the year ! Actually, if everything falls into place for the Yanks and they win it all, Brian Cashman SHOULD be G.M. of the year. That would be very gratifying for Yankee fans knowing they have a G.M. with a winning plan.
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Theres no way the Twins took the Mets offer over the Yankees offer if Hughes/Melky/Marquez were available in a package.
Also no way the Twins would take the Mets offer over Lester/Masterson/Lowrie
the mets offer is horrible. Every report for the last week has said the Yankees are out of the mix, they pulled out of the bidding. Once the Yankees were out of the bidding, the Sox had no reason to keep their offer in. Once Bill Smith saw both teams were out he had to take whatever the mets would give him. Which is why he couldn't get F-Mart.
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all very true, but Smith is the one who gets the blame..he gambled and lost...yes, by all accounts the Sox and Yanks pulled their deals recently, but those deals were very much on the table for quite some time...The Twins wanted to get the Mets involved in hopes of improving the Sox and/or yanks offer....well he ended up stuck with only the Mets interested... He could've taken any number of deals from NY or Boston more than a month ago and been much happier with the results...hell a deal of IPK, Melky and Marquez would've been better than what he got..not to mention either of the Sox deals.
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The Yankees offered Hughes and the Twins didn't take the deal. It's not like the Yankees weren't willing to trade him for Santana. What Hughes and Santana do from here on out have nothing to do with each other.



That is only PARTLY true...

The Yankees offered Hughes during the winter meetings... Bill Smith should be fired for turning down that offer and ending up with this...

BUT, there was no opportunity for the Twins to get Hughes today... If they could have, they would have... But the Yankees pulled Hughes from every offer.

And, by the way, they SHOULD have... It'd be stupid to give up Hughes given what the Twins were getting from the Mets... Kennedy and Melky is a SIGNIFICANTLY better package that what the Twins got, and that's not even counting the other two prospects.

The Mets do not have a good system, and the Twins dealt Santana there despite not getting the Mets best outfield prospect OR their best pitching prostpect...



But make no mistake, had the Yankees offered Hughes TODAY, Santana would be in the Bronx.

And so, starting with his first game this year, Phil Hughes will be the guy the Yankees wouldn't trade for Santana... And when he struggles, the question is going to come up - THIS is the guy we wouldn't deal for Santana???

It might not be fair, but that's the reality of the situation. Phil Hughes now has a target on his chest. The pressure was already extreme just being a Yankee... Now it's doubled.
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And so, starting with his first game this year, Phil Hughes will be the guy the Yankees wouldn't trade for Santana... And when he struggles, the question is going to come up - THIS is the guy we wouldn't deal for Santana???

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you don't think the 6/7 yr $150M had anything to do with Santana not being in the Bronx? why don't you, blg and this team blahblahblah, go start a message board on that crap blog you're always pushing and discuss it further...
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And so, starting with his first game this year, Phil Hughes will be the guy the Yankees wouldn't trade for Santana... And when he struggles, the question is going to come up - THIS is the guy we wouldn't deal for Santana???

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you don't think the 6/7 yr $150M had anything to do with Santana not being in the Bronx? why don't you, blg and this team blahblahblah, go start a message board on that crap blog you're always pushing and discuss it further...



I'm sure it all plays a part...

But surely you realize that the Santana thing is going to be connected to Hughes. It's the reality of the situation... Not fair to Hughes, but I guarantee you, it WILL happen.

And Santana landing in the same city didn't help anything, either.
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I'm sure it all plays a part...

But surely you realize that the Santana thing is going to be connected to Hughes. It's the reality of the situation... Not fair to Hughes, but I guarantee you, it WILL happen.

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you're right..plenty of sheep and simpletons out there that won't let little things like facts get in the way of their pi$$ing and moaning...

and you think Santana landing in Queens is worse than landing in Beantown?
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you're right..plenty of sheep and simpletons out there that won't let little things like facts get in the way of their pi$$ing and moaning...

and you think Santana landing in Queens is worse than landing in Beantown?



I never said that... Obviously, ANY Yankees fan should be happier with this than the Red Sox... That's not the point...

The added pressure on Phil Hughes is the point. It's real, and he's going to have to deal with it probably for years to come.
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you're right..plenty of sheep and simpletons out there that won't let little things like facts get in the way of their pi$$ing and moaning...

and you think Santana landing in Queens is worse than landing in Beantown?



I never said that... Obviously, ANY Yankees fan should be happier with this than the Red Sox... That's not the point...

The added pressure on Phil Hughes is the point. It's real, and he's going to have to deal with it probably for years to come.

It's part of the game...welcome to the majors and NYY baseball.

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The added pressure on Phil Hughes is the point. It's real, and he's going to have to deal with it probably for years to come.

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what's is just as real is that anyone who has even remotely followed the situation knows that is not the case...PHIL WAS OFFERED.. that is not in dispute. the Twins didn't accept. get the f*ck over it.....thus the title of this thread..the pressure you speak of is no different than anyone that puts on the pinstripes..every single person who has ever watched a baseball game knows what is expected from the Yankees....how is it different than the pressure on Joba? he was/is "untouchable" How is it different from IPK...if he was included in the deal with Hughes at the meetings, Johan would be in the Bronx...we can go on and on...bottom line is the Twins could've had Hughes if they wanted him. after it dragging on, the Yanks decided not to give up ANY blue chips AND fork over a 7yr deal worth $150+M......that is the reality of it.
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Had Hughes been offered yesterday, Santana would be a Yankee.
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Had Hughes been offered yesterday, Santana would be a Yankee.



I think you are right. I also think that you know your sports media. If the yankee rotation falters early, they will be all over their brain trust for not blowing mets deal out of the water TODAY (as you said, since the offer from the meetings was gone)

I would say good luck, but since my twins are out of it in 2008, this might be one of my favorite story lines next year if that happens. If it makes you feel better, I hope boston falters too, in fact I hope that even more. They are also counting on a lot of kids and old guys.

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Post  RedMagma on Wed Jan 30, 2008 4:33 am

Had Hughes been offered yesterday, Santana would be a Yankee.



I think you are right. I also think that you know your sports media. If the yankee rotation falters early, they will be all over their brain trust for not blowing mets deal out of the water TODAY (as you said, since the offer from the meetings was gone)

I would say good luck, but since my twins are out of it in 2008, this might be one of my favorite story lines next year if that happens. If it makes you feel better, I hope boston falters too, in fact I hope that even more. They are also counting on a lot of kids and old guys.

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Post  RedMagma on Wed Jan 30, 2008 4:37 am

As a Yankee Fan, I'm happy for the Mets that they have Santana rather than Boston Redsox. I would rather have Mets have him than Evil Empire 2 known as Redsox. Good Job by Omar. I read an article somewhere that Hank's says The Mets needs Santana the most. I think Twins Gm Bill Smith use the Redsox and Yankees to get out more prospects from these two teams. I hope Yankees doesn't make playoffs this upcoming 2008 season and be in last place.

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Post  RedMagma on Wed Jan 30, 2008 4:41 am

January 29, 2008
Eye for an eye

Another guarantee! And this time, you can book it.

Are you still worked up over that Boston Globe book that’s already been planned on the Patriots’ 19-0 season? Well, don’t worry, you can get even by pre-ordering “New York Giants: 2008 Super Bowl Champions”. It’s by an unnamed author (not me) and published by Sports Publishing, Inc.

Incidentally, it appears Amazon has pulled down the pre-order page for “19-0: The Historic Championship Season of New England’s Unbeatable Patriots.”

I can’t imagine why.

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Post  RedMagma on Wed Jan 30, 2008 4:43 am

Jan 29, 2008 11:14 pm - Read: Santana + Mets = NL East Favorite




http://www.metsblog.com/




...posted by Brandon Eddy...

In his blog for ESPN.com, Keith Law writes that the Mets immediately become the favorites to win their division and have a good argument to be the best team in the National League following their trade for LHP Johan Santana.

By getting one of the game’s best pitchers, Law describes two important things that Santana does for the Mets…

“One, he’ll give the Mets 50-75 more innings than they would have gotten from the starter he replaces in the rotation; he takes pressure off their bullpen and allows Willie Randolph to give his best relievers more rest, which he wasn’t able to do last August and September. Two, he pushes everyone in the rotation back into a more suitable spot. Pelfrey now has to “win” a starting role in spring training, which, given the work he still needs to do, is not a bad situation. Oliver Perez and John Maine won’t line up quite as often against opposing No. 1 and 2 starters.”

…agree 100%…however, i could probably list 999 more things santana does for the Mets, but i am too delirious to think of them…the only thing i know right now is that the best pitcher in baseball will be wearing blue and orange in 2008…pending the contract extension and physical, of course…

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Post  RedMagma on Wed Jan 30, 2008 4:46 am

Tyler Kepner- Yanks Step Back From the Brink and Watch Santana Go to the Mets


http://bats.blogs.nytimes.com/2008/01/29/yanks-step-back-from-the-brink-and-watch-santana-go-to-the-mets/



Resisting the temptation to trade for Johan Santana may be the surest sign we’ve seen that the Yankees are operating differently now. Even as late as Tuesday afternoon, when the Mets were finishing off their deal with the Twins -– which is contingent on Santana agreeing to a contract extension -– some insiders believed the Yankees could pounce in the final moments.

It never happened. General Manager Brian Cashman opposed the deal all along. So did Hal Steinbrenner, the team’s money man in Tampa, Fla. Eventually, even Hank Steinbrenner, who had aggressively sought a deal early on, decided to pass.

In prior years, the Yankees would have made this deal. Santana is a snazzy name, but more than that, the Yankees would have made the deal because they would have paid Santana whatever he wanted. That is how they got Randy Johnson, Alex Rodriguez and Kevin Brown -– no one else could afford them.

But look at the three teams that showed the most interest in Santana: the Yankees, the Red Sox and the Mets. All three have their own cable networks. The Yankees are not alone in their spending might anymore.

In the end, though, the Yankees did not compete with the others for Santana. Like the Red Sox, their interest simply waned from what it had been at the winter meetings in early December. The Yankees and the Red Sox have essentially the same strategy: build from within while keeping the payroll high, but within reason.

The Yankees will shed some major contracts next winter in Jason Giambi, Carl Pavano and Mike Mussina. But with their payroll already over $200 million, the deal ended up making little sense for them. Paying Santana a small fortune, while losing Phil Hughes and Melky Cabrera, was too costly.

The Yankees’ extraordinary luxury tax penalties rarely seemed to bother George Steinbrenner. But his sons look around and see other teams succeeding without paying heavy taxes. It is a fact that teams can win without spending as wildly as the Yankees have in this decade, and it is reasonable for the Yankees to go about it another way.

If Hughes, Joba Chamberlain, Ian Kennedy and the rest are as good as the Yankees think they are, the team can win while spending less, making a whole lot more money and still having the highest payroll in the majors.

Of course, if the young pitchers disappoint, then Santana will be right across town to remind the Yankees of what they missed, and perhaps motivate the Steinbrenners to revert to the old Yankee ways.


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This is ridiculous. All you do is cover the Yankees. Even this Mets trade doesn’t get covered except in how in relates to the Yankees. Look at all the previous posts on this page… they’re all Yankee posts! Please post more evenly.

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January 29th,
2008
10:15 pm

It’s rare when a trade benefits both the Yankees and the Mets. I’m glad for Mets fans. Their front office stepped up again, and signed the best player available, to fill a void in their rotation. I bet they felt a little pressure to make an extra big splash this winter, after the historic choke job the team pulled last October.

I’m glad for Yankees fans, too. Their front office did the right thing, by not mortgaging the future this time, to sign another marquee player, just because they could afford the $$$. It’ll be fun to watch the new, homegrown young guns develop into the next great pitchers, while still wearing Yankee pinstripes.

— Posted by Kevin Clarke
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January 29th,
2008
10:17 pm

The Mets (on paper) just won the World Series. As a Yankee fan (and a baseball fan in general) let no one tell you that this is ANYTHING but a win for the Yankees. Johan is the finest pitcher in the game (the operative word being “pitcher”). Having said this, the 150 million plus to sign him is money that like prospects will never be seen again. The prospects however give the Twins extra money to put into all levels of their franchises’ players. The Yanks win because we get to see Hughes, Kennedy and others “become”,we have money to continue our grooming of others and the Red Sox don’t become unbeatable. Here’s to Brian Cashman as the Mets landing Johan is great news for both Teams and hurts only the Sox.

— Posted by tillzen
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January 29th,
2008
10:31 pm

I’m so happy right now for the Mets fans!!! Santana at the front of the rotation gives them what they needed. Let’s just hope they can get a contract extension done (give him whatever the hell he wants please!) or you might see some Mets fans throw their hands in the air and call it a season. The problem for the Yankees is simple = bad decisions. It all really started with Beltran. Rather than sign him (at a Yankees discount!) they went with Damon. From that point on, they woke up, saw their old ass expensive roster and decided to go with youth, which is a good step in the right direction……but I’m still shocked the Yanks didn’t pull the trigger for Johan.

— Posted by sw
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January 29th,
2008
10:36 pm

i, for one, am glad. he didn’t go to the sox, we didn’t give up our strong prospects and we only have to face the guy once or twice year, barring a second subway series. as arragant as hank may seem, and as passive as cashman may be criticized lately, we did the right thing by doing nothing. giving away the future, locking up over 160 mill for the next 6 years or so was stupid at best. i’m excited for the season…let the mets have him, they need someone to sell seats in that new stadium anyway. el duq and petro will be gone after this year and he, reyes, and write will be the poster trio…
i just hope his shoulder stays healthy for quite some time considering the investment made, then again if not, the mets seem to have great access to plenty of “meds” to help him along…

— Posted by mark
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January 29th,
2008
11:27 pm

Extremely wise move by Cashman and untimatley the Steinbrenners. As Jeter, Posada, Petit etc will tell you, you build from within. Hughes on the mound and Cabrera in the field will win vitually the same as Santana (where was he Aug 20-October 1)?
Hughes will be an all-star after Santana is on the downside. The no-trade bolsters the confidence of the young talent.

— Posted by Jerry
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January 29th,
2008
11:29 pm

In Ben Shpigel’s story for the paper on this topic, he writes: “It probably helps the Mets, that Santana’s agent is Peter Greenberg, with whom they already enjoy a strong relationship. Among Greenberg’s clients is José Reyes, the Mets’ star shortstop and a player who would no doubt benefit from having Santana as the team’s No. 1 pitcher.”

The not-so-hidden implication here is that Greenberg would compromise Santana’s interests for those of Reyes. Is that what’s really meant? If so it seems to me a serious conflict of interest and a slight to Mr. Greenberg’s character.

I think Shpigel was trying to advance the idea that Greenberg and the Mets management are comfortable negotiating with each other. But to imply that a player’s representative would more willingly agree to the Mets’ offer because of another player’s financial interest is a whole different ballgame.

— Posted by Joe
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January 30th,
2008
12:01 am

This is exactly the splash we needed, or demanded, after the collapse last season. Bar any catastrophes (see last sentence) we should coast to the NL East title. A rotation with Santana/Pedro/Ollie P/Maine and Duque/Pelfrey should be quite something.

Where can I get tickets?

— Posted by Steve P.
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January 30th,
2008
12:47 am

Twin City posters are going nuts about this trade, but I think the 4 Mets prospects are great. Sure beats 2 draft picks next year.

Hear Gomez is a 5 tool guy. Is that true? Then theres that Venezualan prospect all of 18. Twins havent had great luck with Venezualan prospects, but thats cause Santana was Rule V and not considered a prospect at all.

— Posted by asta dog
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January 30th,
2008
1:26 am

The Santana trade demonstrates how the Yankees would have overpaid if they had done the deal. Yankee management should be congratulated for not making the trade.

— Posted by Larry S
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January 30th,
2008
1:50 am

Don’t mean to spoil the party, but I’m skeptical.

We just might have mortgaged the farm for the second coming of Mike Hampton.

I’m an NL fan, so I don’t know too much about Santana, but from what I read, he’s a finesse pitcher whose best pitch is a changeup. Yippee.

The Mets’ staff is OLD. We are going to need young arms to replace El Duque and Pedro when they break down. I thought Scott Kazmir would have been a painful reminder of how it pays to be patient.

Throwing money at the biggest name out there isn’t exactly a recipe for a championship. See Yankees, New York, 1979-96, 2001-present.

— Posted by wyo mets fan
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January 30th,
2008
3:57 am

I have Johan Santana fever!!!!

As a Mets fan, I would like to say to all those racist Mets fans who were relentlessly criticizing Omar Minaya just a few months ago for signing to many Latino players: Leave New York. Go to Atlanta or Houston, where you can support teams whose players look more like yourself.

As for me, I have Johan Santana fever!!!!

And poster #1 is right. This is a Mets story, not a Yankees story.

— Posted by Bob
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January 30th,
2008
3:58 am

Joe writes that Shipgel’s story implies that Peter Greenberg would compromise his client’s best interests for the sake of Jose Reyes. Well I read that story, and I did not read that meaning into Shipgel’s words at all. The only thing I got out of that passage was 1) The Greenberg’s good working relationship with the Mets will help the two sides reach a deal and 2) Reyes will benefit from having Santana on the team.

Shipgel never really explained how Santana would benefit Reyes, but the lack of an explanation in no way lead me to believe Greenberg would do anything that wasn’t in Santana’s best interests. Also, Joe should note that Shipgel has revised the story to add “and his teammates” to that line.

Joe should also know that in other places it’s been reported that Santana during this process has had a strong preference to pitch for the Mets over the Red Sox and Yankees. This desire, rather than the “financial interest” of another player, will probably be a key reason the deal will get done rather easily.

— Posted by Casey

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