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Post  RedMagma on Mon Dec 31, 2007 3:02 am

Falcons will select third in the 2008 draft



Falcons will select third in the 2008 draft


By CHRIS VIVLAMORE
The Atlanta Journal-Constitution
Published on: 12/30/07

http://www.ajc.com/sports/content/sports/falcons/stories/2007/12/30/faldraft_1231.html


The Falcons will select third in the 2008 NFL draft, getting the pick in the third tie-breaker between four teams. Miami (1-15) and St. Louis (3-13) will make the first two picks.

The Falcons, Oakland, Kansas City and the New York Jets all finished 4-12. The Falcons, Raiders and Chiefs had identical strengths of schedule, the first tie-breaker. The Raiders and Chiefs split their two meetings, the second tie-breaker, and neither played the Falcons. The Falcons won the third tie-breaker, division record, by going 1-5 in the NFC South as the Raiders and Chiefs were both 2-4 in the AFC West. The tie-breaker between the Raiders and Chiefs was broken by virtue of the Raiders having a worse record among common opponents, the fourth tie-breaker.



The Falcons' victory Sunday did not cost them a spot in the draft order. Had the Falcons lost and finished tied with St. Louis at 3-13, the Rams would still have picked second based on strength of schedule.

San Francisco and Baltimore both finished 5-11. New England, getting the 49ers' first-round pick, will select seventh and the Ravens eighth based on strength of schedule.

Seven teams are tied with 7-9 records pending tie-breakers. Next are four teams at 8-8, including Houston. Since the Falcons receive the Texans' second-round pick after the Matt Schuab trade, they will also make a selection between the 16-19 pick of the second round, pending tie-breakers.

2008 DRAFT ORDER

1. Miami

2. St. Louis

3. Atlanta

4. Oakland

5. Kansas City

6. N.Y. Jets

7. New England (from San Fran.)

8. Baltimore

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Post  RedMagma on Mon Dec 31, 2007 3:04 am

NEXT STOP, THE DRAFT

With a 4-12 record, the Jets will have the sixth pick in the NFL draft. A projection of the top prospects:

* DT Glenn Dorsey, LSU: Great player, but not may fit a 3-4
* *RB Darren McFadden, Arkansas: Adrian Peterson clone
* OT Jake Long, Michigan: A more physical D'Brickashaw
* DE/LB Chris Long, Virginia: Howie's son is the complete package
* QB Matt Ryan, Boston College: Is he a can't-miss QB?
* DT Sedrick Ellis, USC: Better suited to 4-3 scheme
* *LB James Laurinaitis, Ohio State: Imagine this stud alongside David Harris

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Said tight end Chris Baker: "It seemed like it was never going to end."

It was hard to tell if he meant the game or the season or both.

In one respect, the victory was costly. The Jets (4-12), who could've claimed the third overall draft pick with a loss, will draft in the sixth spot, unofficially - a three-slot drop that likely will ruin their chances of selecting Arkansas running Darren McFadden or one of the premier pass rushers.

First, they must formulate a quarterback game plan.

It has been widely assumed that Pennington is a goner, but there are new rumblings to the contrary. Because of Clemens' inconsistency, and because the offseason quarterback market is hardly enticing, the Jets may decide to keep Pennington and his $4.8 million salary in 2008. With more than $27 million in projected cap room, they could afford it.

That would create quite a soap opera, considering Pennington's presumed desire to be traded or released. A week ago, Pennington's father, Elwood, told a Knoxville newspaper that his son would be better off going to a contending team where he could be a starter again.

Thing is, Pennington is signed through 2011 and the Jets will be in no hurry to unload their most accomplished quarterback. Pete Kendall, redux?

"If he's not back, we'll definitely miss him," wide receiver Jerricho Cotchery said.

Eric Mangini declined to tip his hand, saying they will evaluate Clemens' "whole body of work." Clemens said, "I definitely think there has been progress."

Maybe, but he didn't throw the best pass. It came from running back Leon Washington, who, on a direct snap, rolled to his right and tossed 36-yard completion to Wallace Wright - a gadget play that set up Jones' touchdown to make it 7-0. The Jets took a 10-3 lead, but the Chiefs (4-12), losers of nine straight, forced overtime with Brodie Croyle's 26-yard touchdown pass to Jeff Webb with 2:59 remaining in regulation.

The Jets ended with 12 losses, tied for the third-most in team history.

It ended with the three backbones of the team - Pennington, Laveranues Coles and Jonathan Vilma - on the sideline. None of the three are locks to return, although there are early indications that the organization is willing to meet Coles' request to renegotiate his contract.

That it ended with a win will provide only a small solace.

"If you poll all the guys in February and think they're going to be in a great mood because of today, I don't think that will be the case," linebacker Matt Chatham said. "Obviously, we're disappointed by the season. At least we'll be able to smile for 24 hours."
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Post  RedMagma on Mon Dec 31, 2007 3:09 am

JETS MUST WAIT TILL NEXT YEAR
VICTORY OVER CHIEFS HURTS DRAFT POSITION

http://www.nypost.com/seven/12312007/sports/jets/jets_must_wait_till_next_year_688040.htm?page=0




December 31, 2007 -- Every single player and coach already had vacated the home locker room after the Jets' 13-10 overtime win over the Chiefs when Eric Mangini emerged from his dressing room.



One of the trainers quietly handed him three individual packs of Excedrin.

"You need aspirin after a win?" The Post asked Mangini.

"I get headaches all the time," a weary Mangini replied with a smile.

In one final bit of intrigue to this uneven season his Jets have had en route to a 4-12 finish, there was irony to yesterday's Jets win: It might end up giving Mangini a significant headache in April, when the NFL Draft arrives. That's because their victory dropped them from the No. 3 overall pick in the draft to No. 6.

To twist and reverse the infamous words of Herman Edwards, the Jets could have done themselves a favor if they had Played To Lose The Game.

The win over Edwards' Chiefs yesterday at Giants Stadium, so sparsely populated you'd have sworn it was a preseason game, might end up doing them more harm than good, because of the damage to their draft position.

There's no argument that anyone can make that will convince Jets fans that yesterday's win did the franchise any good.

After all, what better off are the Jets finishing the season 4-12 as they did with the win than they would have been 3-13?

Still, though, the team's draft position in April was hardly on the minds of the players, who were simply trying to finish this season with a win to temporarily ease their minds.

"I try not to think of it like that," linebacker Matt Chatham said. "We go to work every week trying to win. Draft picks and outside things like that don't matter.

"We're obviously disappointed about the season, so it is nice to have a smile on your face for 24 or 48 hours before we all go home for the year."

Tight end Chris Baker said he's heard the draft-position talk from fans and he understands their sentiment, but doesn't agree with it.

"First of all, in the draft there are no guarantees," Baker said. "It's not good to be in the top four or five, because there are no can't-miss guys anymore. Secondly, as players we don't think about that. Who knows who's going to be here next year and who's not going to be here next year?

"Obviously, we go from No. 3 to No. 6, but how many guys have gone No. 1 or 2 overall or whatever and are out of the league before a guy that was undrafted?"

Yesterday's dismal, cold, wet weather and disinterested vibe at the stadium couldn't have been further away from the electric, playoff-like atmosphere that engulfed the place on Saturday night for the Giants-Patriots game.

New England's historic 38-35 New England victory over the Giants made yesterday's game look like it was between two teams from an inferior league.

The Jets, with a 10-3 halftime lead on a Kellen Clemens (13-25, 115 yards, 1 TD) shovel pass to Thomas Jones that went for a 15-yard touchdown, for most of the game appeared en route to victory thanks to the Chiefs' anemic offense.

But Kansas City tied the game at 10-10 on a 26-yard Brodie Croyle scoring pass to Jeff Webb with 2:59 remaining in regulation. That sent the game careening to overtime, where the Jets won it on the first possession of extra period on a 43-yard Mike Nugent field goal with 9:47 remaining.

The loss for the 4-12 Chiefs was their ninth in a row.

"It's kind of fitting for [the game] to go into overtime," said Edwards, who left the Jets two years ago. "That's just two teams who had a difficult season. Am I glad it's over? Yes, I'm glad it's over."

Headaches all around. Mangini should have shared his aspirin with Edwards.

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Post  RedMagma on Mon Dec 31, 2007 3:11 am

UPDATED 2008 1st-ROUND DRAFT: SELECTION ORDER


http://www.gbnreport.com/weeklydraftorder.htm

December 31, 2007

(Ed. note: Selection order based on current record and combined W-L record of all opponents.)

#
Team
W-L
Opponents'
W-L %
1 Miami
1-15 .539
2 St. Louis 3-13
.512
3F

Kansas City
4-12
.516
4F

Atlanta
4-12
.516
5F
Oakland
4-12
.516
6
New York Jets 4-12 .523
7 New England (from San Francisco) 5-11 .465
8
Baltimore 5-11 .516
9
Cincinnati 7-9 .461
10 New Orleans 7-9 .477
11 Buffalo 7-9
.516
12 Denver 7-9
.516
13 Carolina 7-9
.520
14 Chicago 7-9 .543
15
Detroit 7-9
.543
16 Arizona 8-8
.434
17
Minnesota 8-8
.504
18 Houston 8-8
.516
19 Philadelphia 8-8
.563
20P Tampa Bay 9-7
.469
21P Washington 9-7
.555
22P*
Dallas (from Cleveland) 10-6 .425
23P
Seattle 10-6
.414
24P Pittsburgh 10-6
.453
25P
Tennessee 10-6
.500
26P
New York Giants 10-6
.516
27P San Diego 11-5
.500
28P Jacksonville 11-5
.516
29P
Green Bay 13-3
.469
30P
San Francisco (from Indianapolis) 13-3
.516
31P Dallas 13-3
.496
32P
New England (pick forfeited)
16-0
.469

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Re: Theo: We Do Things Different Than The Yankees

Post  RedMagma on Mon Dec 31, 2007 3:12 am

Originally Posted by Irish Jet View Post
I'm pretty sure the order is:

1. Miami ronnie brown
2. St. Louis steven jackson
3. Oakland michael bush/dominic rhodes (bush will be a beast)
4. Atlanta needs a QB
5. Kansas City LJ and kolby plus herm wants a new punter after we **** canned him
6. NY Jets

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Post  RedMagma on Mon Dec 31, 2007 3:13 am

Al Davis will never pass on Run DMC
Nor should he. Fargas is a free agent.

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Re: Theo: We Do Things Different Than The Yankees

Post  RedMagma on Mon Dec 31, 2007 3:19 am

riginally posted on 3/24/07: A little insecure, Curt?

For 15 years, I've been wearing labels that people have perceived me to have. I'll give you a great example. One of the nicknames that has always gnawed at me a little bit was the "Red Light" thing. People believe that someone called me Red Light because I like to be in front of the camera, which is not how it happened

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Post  RedMagma on Mon Dec 31, 2007 3:42 am

http://www.prodraftguide.net/staffmock07.html


1. Miami Dolphins - DT Glenn Dorsey, LSU
With Bill Parcells now behind the curtain operating the controls, we can excect to see his usual franchise-building blueprints come to fold, starting on defense. Glenn Dorsey might not be the ideal pick for the Dolphins, as they need a lot of help, but he can be a young cornerstrone for a defense looking to rebuild. With DT Vonnie Holiday supposedly on the chopping block, look for Dorsey to be the easy selection here unless the 'Phins can get loaded throughout the draft by wheeling and dealing out of the first overall pick.

2. St. Louis Rams - OT Jake Long, Michigan
St. Louis has been disguised as a team full of potential, but they always seem to disappoint. This year, protecting the quarterback seemed to be the problem, especially when LT Orlando Pace fell down upon the injured reserve list. As we have stressed before, the Rams' need to protect QB Marc Bulger. When Bulger is healthy, he is one of the best signal caller's in the league. When he is banged up, predominantly due to a lack of protection, the Rams' offense stinks, even with RB Steven Jackson carrying the rock 30 times a game. OT Long is the perfect fit for the Rams.

3. Atlanta Falcons - QB Matt Ryan, Boston College
Could the Falcons' truly pass on RB Darren McFadden? We think so. RBs that have been drafted in the top ten have been getting a bad name lately, mostly due to the lack of production from RBs Reggie Bush and Cedric Benson. Atlanta needs to find a keystone to build their new-look franchise around. Matt Ryan, a strong-armed, mechanically sound QB, would give the Falcons' faithful hope for the future albeit not giving top dollars to a RB that may not be playing five years from now.

4. Kansas City Chiefs - DT Sedrick Ellis, USC
HC Herm Edwards is a defense-minded coach. The Chiefs are ranked 26th against the run at press time. Kansas City's secondary has taken strides, but stopping the run, especially in a division where they meet RB LaDainian Tomlinson twice a year is necessary. Current starting DT Ron Edwards is nothing more than a career back-up that has nestled into a starting gig. Last year, the Chiefs took DT Tank Tyler on the first day but he hasn't showed up he can compete on Sunday's yet.

5. Oakland Raiders - RB Darren McFadden, Arkansas*
The Oakland Raiders' have proved that they can run the ball, getting good production from RBs Justin Fargas and Dominic Rhodes. LaMont Jordan appears to be on his way out and Michael Bush will be running on rods in his leg. Raiders' owner Al Davis has always been fond of physical freaks. RB McFadden is big, fast, and elusive. He would be expected to come in and give young QB JaMarcus Russell another weapon on offense. Their are obvious needs on the defensive line that need addressed too but knowing Al Davis' history, he will not let McFadden slide past the five slot.

6. New York Jets - DE Chris Long, Virginia
The Jets' need to regroup on defense. After losing DE John Abraham a couple of years' back, and switching to a 3-4 scheme, this band of eleven has been singing a sad ballad. Chris Long, in our opinion, is probably the best prospect in the 2008 NFL Draft. He led the ACC with 14 sacks, comes from a great pedigree, and knows how to play football. It will not take long for Chris Long to get the playbook down and buy into HC Eric Mangini's system. In a division where they play QB Tom Brady twice a year, the Jets' need someone that can get after the quarterback.

7. New England Patriots (from SF) - ILB James Laurinaitis, Ohio State*
The group of Patriots LBs are reaching retirement. As a matter of fact, one already has come out of retirement (Seau), one almost retired due to a stroke (Bruschi), and another has more than a decade under his belt (Vrabel). If Laurinaitis does indeed declare, he would be a perfect fit for the Patriots' 3-4 system. He knows where to find space and cover well in zone, plus he is solid in penetrating the offensive line in blitz packages from the middle. The old verbage of "the rich get richer" still lurks around today, especially when you consider how the Patriots acquired this draft pick.

8. Baltimore Ravens - OT Ryan Clady, Boise State*
Baltimore will need to find a replacement for Jonathan Ogden, who is as good as gone. After 11 straight Pro Bowl trips, the Ravens will be left to fill a void at left tackle that current backup and rookie Jared Gaither would struggle to fill, as we seen when Ogden has missed time in 2007. Clady, an underclassman, is physical and uses his hands well. We might be looking at the next anchor on this Ravens' offensive line for the next 11 years. Baltimore will be speculated to be looking at a QB here but it seems as if QB Troy Smith has bought HC Billick some more time.

9. Cincinnati Bengals - DE Vernon Gholston, Ohio State*
Cincinnati's moral is at a new low plus they continue to have a terrible defense. Gholston is a pure 4-3 end that is quick off of the edges. Should he come out, look for him to land with a squad like the Bengals' and start immediately. Cincinnati finished dead last in sacks this year with just 22. DE Robert Geathers is overrated and would be a backup almost anywhere else in the league. Defensive end's usually take their time finding their niche on the next level, as we have seen recently with Mario Williams, but Gholston is the right pick for the Bengals' here at 9.

10. New Orleans Saints - CB Malcolm Jenkins, Ohio State*
New Orleans made a critical mistake in last year's draft, passing on a variety of defensive back's for the completely inactive WR Robert Meachem. This year, it proved costly since they finished 30th overall against the pass, allowing 258 yards through the air per game. New Orleans also finished last in passing touchdowns allowed with 32. Jenkins' is the best defensive back talent in this draft. He has been quoted as saying that he would like to play safety on the next level as well.

11. Buffalo Bills - WR Malcolm Kelly, Oklahoma*
We wouldn't be surprised at all if Buffalo moved down in the draft and acquired more picks. Their primary need is at WR. Malcolm Kelly stands at 6'4". The only current Buffalo WR that stands taller than 6'0" is Sam Aiken (6'2"). Kelly somewhat surprised scouts by not having as good of a season as many projected him to have, finishing second in receptions for the Sooners, but there is no doubt that he has the talent to be a go-to guy. With no injury history and a pretty good recent draft history, Kelly and the Bills' are a match made in heaven.

12. Denver Broncos - DE Calais Campbell, Miami Fl.*
Denver fans' have to be disappointed in their defense after regressing once again. Sure, they had some big injuries upfront, especially with last year's first round pick DE Jarvis Moss, but the fact remains that the Broncos have no depth after Elvis Dumervil on the other side either. Campbell, another junior that underachieved in 2007, stands at the ideal height for DEs (6'8"). He is a menace in pass rush scenarios and has been known to grab his fair share of sacks on non-blitzing downs.

13. Carolina Panthers - QB Brian Brohm, Louisville
In a surprise move, QB Brohm falls all the way to Carolina, to the Panthers' delight. Even though they have many holes on defense, Carolina can not pass up on taking their QB of the future. With QB Jake Delhomme consistently getting dinged up, plus the insufficient play from David Carr, this is the right selection. Young QB Matt Moore is not the answer for HC John Fox if he wants to keep his job in Charlotte. Brohm would get the time needed to groom on the bench plus learn some more principles in becoming a passer from behind the center.

14. Chicago Bears - S Kenny Phillips, Miami Fl.*
The Chicago Bears defense continues to tumble down from being one of the best to one of the worst. At strong safety, Brandon McGowan and Adam Archuleta have not given the Bears' the type of minutes they had hoped for. Phillips is a powerful hitter first and foremost, but can do well at times in isolation. He will most likely need to learn the ropes of being a strong safety at first, but in a couple of years, he could be having a Donte Whitner-like impact on the Bears. Look for Chicago to pass on a QB here due to their known history with first rounder's like Rex Grossman.

15. Detroit Lions - QB Andre Woodson, Kentucky
With OC Mike Martz likely out of the picture, HC Rod Marinelli will spite Martz, buy himself some time, and draft the Lions' QB of the future. Woodson has the type of traits that current starter Jon Kitna has, but Woodson will need coached up more than Ryan or Brohm. Marinelli needs help on the offensive line, but is rumored to be looking at some possible soon to-be free agents already. Despite all of the other holes on this Lions' squad, Woodson, coming from a strong military background, could come in and help lead this troubled franchise that sat at 6-2 earlier in 2007.

16. Arizona Cardinals - CB Antoine Cason, Arizona
The Cardinals' made some good moves in 2007, finishing 8-8 and looking good under first year HC Ken Whisenhunt. The secondary struggled though, and still remains as one of the worst in the league. Cason, a local product, would be a great fit here for the Cardinals. This soon to-be former Wildcat is the highest rated senior DB in the draft. As a senior, he was able to snag 5 interceptions plus return 2 of them for scores. He does well for himself in isolation. Arizona would do themselves proud plus look smart for taking the in-state prospect.

17. Minnesota Vikings - WR DeSean Jackson, California*
The Minnesota Vikings QB Tarvaris Jackson looked solid when WR Sidney Rice was healthy, but struggled when Rice was not on the field. If HC Brad Childress sticks with QB Jackson, look for him to add another weapon to this offense. Jackson is multi-faceted and can be compared to Ted Ginn Jr.. The fact of the matter is that Jackson is a better route runner than Ginn was at this time last year, plus might time better than Ginn at the NFL Combine. He is a threat to take it to the house any time he returns a kick or punt as well.

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Post  RedMagma on Mon Dec 31, 2007 3:44 am

Jets OT, LB, S, WR, DE, DT

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Post  RedMagma on Mon Dec 31, 2007 4:08 am

Anthony Gose from Bellflower HS- holy sh*t. Can anyone find any other writeups on him besides the mention in the recent BA article about the tourney he played in? A HS lefty sitting at 93-94 and touching 97? Sign me up!



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I actually found some:

Quote:
At 95 mph, lefthander Anthony Gose (Bellflower, Calif., HS) generated the best fastball velocity in the tournament until he was upstaged later in the day by Cole. Gose is viewed by scouts primarily as a center fielder capable of running the 60-yard dash in 6.51 seconds, but he fanned 10 in five innings as the San Gabriel (Calif.) Arsenal had to settle for a 7-7 tie with the Dallas Panthers. Gose’s velocity was erratic in the first two innings, dipping to 81 mph on a couple of pitches, but he was a steady 94-95 and virtually unhittable in the third and fourth innings. But just as quickly as he found his stuff, he lost it in the fifth. His velocity dipped to the high 80s and he was racked for five runs in the inning on two hit batsmen, two singles and a three-run homer by catcher Chris Wilson (Cathedral Catholic HS, San Diego). Gose helped key his team to a five-run outburst of its own in the bottom of the fifth with a single. Shortstop Cody Dent (Park Vista HS, Boynton Beach, Fla.), son of former big leaguer Bucky Dent, went 2-for-2 off Gose

Oh, and check this blurb about Cole out:

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Righthander Gerrit Cole worked only one inning for the Atlanta Braves Scout Team in a hard-fought 2-1 win over Florida’s Winning Inning but his performance was so dominating that he may have shot to the top of the pack in the high school Draft Class of 2008.



The 6-foot-3, 190-pound Cole was clocked at 96-97 mph and his fastball had exceptional life with run and sink to both sides of the plate. His curveball, which had slider action, was a filthy 82 mph and he also flashed a plus changeup at 81. Moreover, he had excellent command of all his pitches and delivered them with smooth, easy mechanics from a three-quarters angle.



“Rick Porcello was 97 here last year—and that’s the moment he went to No. 1 in the country,” said Perfect Game national director Jerry Ford. “Cole was better tonight. This is the best high school arm I can remember seeing. I’ve seen guys throw harder but their ball is usually straight. Cole showed the kind of life that you normally see from a little lefthander throwing 84.”



Cole, a senior at Orange Lutheran High in Santa Ana, Calif., and a UCLA recruit, was the fourth of six pitchers used by the Braves Scout Team. They combined to strike out 14 while allowing three hits, even as the team struggled to get past a pesky Winning Inning squad. Four of the six were clocked at 90 mph or better, but none approached Cole, who recorded the best velocity of the 80-team tournament to date. He retired all three hitters he faced, one via a strikeout.



The Braves, a team assembled specifically for the tournament with players from 14 different states, overcame a 1-0 deficit by scoring twice in the sixth inning on a wild pitch and a run-scoring single by Corey Black, a junior from Mission Bay High in San Diego.



Cole, who worked in only 27 innings as a high school junior and just 12 as a sophomore, had given only brief glimpses of his vast potential prior to Friday—notably at Perfect Game’s Sunshine West Showcase in San Diego in June, when he topped out at 95. That led to an invitation to PG’s National Showcase later in the month in Cincinnati, where he lacked command of his stuff but again flashed a mid-90s fastball.



He was also extended an invitation to USA Baseball’s junior national trials in Cary, N.C., but Cole pitched poorly at that event and was not selected to the team that represented the U.S. in Mexico in August at the Americas’ qualifier for the 2008 World junior championship. However, all was not lost as Cole was selected to play in the Aflac All-American Game in San Diego in August and he was the dominant pitcher at the event, touching 95 in his one-inning cameo.



It all came together for him again Friday night—a performance that was reminiscent of Porcello’s a year ago and led to the New Jersey righthander ascending to the top of the high school charts entering 2007. Cole’s dominant showing could raise him to the same status entering 2008.

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1.
Benny The Jet Rodriguez — December 30, 2007 @ 5:34 pm

If you don’t count Gardner’s late season promotions, his stats are basically identical to those of Reggie Willits, who went a level a season coming up with the Angels. I think Gardner will be a similar player to Willits, with more steals, and a slightly better glove.
2.
Eric Schultz — December 30, 2007 @ 5:41 pm

Willits is a good comp.
3.
Drew — December 30, 2007 @ 6:08 pm

Eric, sticking with the same team, do you see a Chone Figgins impact?

Chone’s minor league line

2729 AB’s -.274 Avg - .346 OBP - .385 Slug - .731 OPS

304 BB - 518 K - 208 SB / 74 CS

Gardner;s minor league stats

1107 AB’s - .288 Avg - .381 OBP - .374 SLUG - .755 OPS

163 BB - 211 K - 114 SB / 22 CS

Looks like Gardner has about the same power, better walk rate, better K rate and better SB rate.

I think guys tend to undervalue players like that. Chone was a game changer this season once he got healthy and found his stroke. I would love to see a guy like Gardner take that OBP and SB rate to the leadoff spot and cause havoc on the basepaths! In 09 we could move Melk to right ( with his arm ) and have Brett in CF, Damon in left and Matsui as a DH. It would be the lightest hitting OF in the league, but would have great speed. If you stick a Teixeria at 1st with the money saved, this is what our lineup would be…

09

Damon
Jeter
Teixeria
Arod
Matsui
Posada
Cano
Melk
Gardner

This would give Jackson and Tabata another year to polish their skills at AA / AAA. Then when Damon and Matsui are gone, we bring up Jackson to play left, Miranda can then slip into our DH spot with Shelly as a 4th OF / DH. We can take the money saved on having to sign big name OF’s and spend it on pitching.

Joba
Phil
Ian
Wang
?? ( CC ? Johan ?…ANYONE!!!! )

If not then Horne should be a nice 5th starter by that time.

Then in 2010

Gardner
Jeter
Teixeria
Arod
Cano
Miranda
Posada
Melk
Jackson

I know Im getting ahead of myself, but its not a bad outlook….Thoughts?
4.
Greg — December 30, 2007 @ 6:32 pm

why do you think BA has Gardner in the top 10, but you guys have him ranked so low
5.
Eric Schultz — December 30, 2007 @ 6:48 pm

They’re valuing his closeness to the majors more than we were, though in retrospect I would have put him higher.
6.
jm — December 30, 2007 @ 9:17 pm

Just to play Devil’s Advocate, let’s say Melky goes down with a minor injury in April and is put on the 15-day DL. Do you call up Brett Gardner and designate someone for assignment? And if so, who? Or do you just let Damon go back to CF, Matsui back to LF, and the Yankees fans back to praying for ground balls?
7.
jm — December 30, 2007 @ 9:20 pm

…….as I finished posting my last comment, I realized that the Yankees would likely put Carl Pavano back on the 60-day DL, so that would free up a space on the 40-man for Gardner.
8.
Chip — December 30, 2007 @ 11:26 pm

Brackman will also be back on the 60 day DL
9.
dre — December 31, 2007 @ 4:44 am

Leadoff hitters are hard to find and having a good one makes a big difference to a teams offense. Look at the difference a Chuck Knoblauch or Johnny Damon has made with their perspective teams. Gardner has the intangables, speed, patient bat,and he plays sound defence. O.K. he has some deficencies, Strike-out , no power , and his arm is not going to remind you of a Dave Winfield. However, all in all for the position Gardner is playing and his place in the line-up, I do believe he would make an adequate if not the perfect replacement for an ageing Johnny Damon.

Gardner has one bigger problem and I feel the real issue lies presently in how Baseball presently view the position of the lead-off man. Organization today have a tendency to view the Rickey Henderson prototype, a player with the rear combination of speed and power as being the norm which Gardner is not. In fact,Gardner is a Mickey Rivers or Brett Butler type of Player from the past with a projected better OBP. Walk or a Single is a double, a double is a triple which places tremendous pressure on an opposing teams defense. The Jose Reyes factor! This and this alone should be the determining fact in wether he succeed with this franchise.
They should give him a shot at some point next year and it should start with an invite to spring training . I believe he is ready to take the next step!

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Post  RedMagma on Mon Dec 31, 2007 5:43 am

http://www.ajc.com/sports/content/sports/falcons/stories/2007/12/30/faldraft_1231.html

With the third pick in the 2008 NFL draft, the Atlanta Falcons select ...
A quarterback 42.63% 1258
A running back 25.25% 745
A lineman 15.89% 469
To trade the pick 16.23% 479

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Post  RedMagma on Mon Dec 31, 2007 5:47 am

Oh that's the 2nd key.



When you look at the teams after us:



6) NY Jets 4-12 (Thomas Jones and Leon Washington)

7) Baltimore- 5-11 (Willis McGahee)

Cool New England through San Fran 5-11 (Maroney. Uncharacteristic for them to trade up)



The Jets are the only other team in the top 8 that would trade over us. I haven't evaluated their needs situation. But I know they might not be down with trading up for a RB after the Saints tried to mug them in a deal for Bush.





Anyone outside the top 8 would have to give up A FORTUNE.





The 7-9 teams (don't know the order)



Carolina- 7-9 (They could def use him)



Detroit- 7-9 (They could defuse him)



Denver 7-9 (Don’t need him with that system)



Cincinnati 7-9 (Rudi Johnson)



Chicago 7-9 (Cedric Benson)



New Orleans 7-9 (Not a chance. Bush/McAlister)



Buffalo- 7-9 (Marshawn Lynch)











5 out of the 7 teams that are 7-9 wouldn't even be interested in trading up for a RB and like I said, it would cost a ton if the Lions and Panthers traded up even if they pick 9th and 10th.

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Post  RedMagma on Mon Dec 31, 2007 6:10 am

The team (Jets or ATL) whose opponents had the worse winning % picks first.
Thanks to the Patriots, the winning % is even higher. I hate those bastards even more now.

This season is the worst I've ever had to endure, The Jets sucking Donkey balls (But not enough to get a top 5 pick) and The Pats having the greatest season ever.

Take me now God, Take me now.

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Post  RedMagma on Mon Dec 31, 2007 6:41 am

Matt Ryan
QB | (6'4", 221, 4.Cool | BOSTON COLLEGE

Scouts Grade: 97

http://insider.espn.go.com/nfldraft/draft/tracker/player?id=11586&draftyear=2008


Strengths: Is tall enough to scan the entire field from within the pocket, reads defenses fairly well and generally finds the open man given enough time. Accurate, takes something off underneath passes and can lead receiver when throwing underneath. Puts good touch on downfield passes and flashes the ability to drop the ball in over coverage. Mobile enough to get outside the pocket and throws well on the run. Shows good poise, is a leader on the field and wants the ball in hands late in games. Appears to be adjusting to new offense well and can be an effective game manager.

Weaknesses: Doesn't have a cannon for an arm, doesn't put great zip on downfield passes and gets into trouble when tries to throw into tight coverage. Lacks ideal mobility, has some problems buying time in the pocket and doesn't always make sound decisions when the protection breaks down. Isn't going to make defenders miss, doesn't have great top-end speed and isn't a dangerous open field runner that can consistently pick up yards with feet. Though tough and willing to play through pain, sustained a high-ankle spring during the 2006 season opener, broke left foot during 2006 Virginia Tech game, underwent foot surgery in January and durability is a concern.

Overall: Ryan was redshirted for the 2003 season. During his first three seasons (2004-06) Ryan played in 26 games (18 starts) completing 419 passes on 693 attempts (60.5 percent) for 4,806 yards, 25 touchdowns and 18 interceptions. Ryan missed one game in 2006 with a sprained ankle. The table is set for Ryan to have a big year because Boston College is expected to open up its offense and he has the accuracy as well as the smarts to excel in the new scheme. However, his lack of elite arm strength and mobility does put a cap on his upside. His potential to develop into an effective starter or above-average backup should make him a late first-day pick if he stays healthy and improves his decision making in the face of pressure.

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Post  RedMagma on Mon Dec 31, 2007 6:48 am

seems like every single team is baseball is building a new ballpark or has plans to build a new ballpark or make major renovations like Kansas City... except the Red Sox... I'm a little surprised by this. I know Fenway is all about history and yaddda yadda but the Red Sox are being stupid.. handicapping themselves from major revenue by staying in a ballpark that only seats 33,000... they have a gigantic fan base.. the entire north east north of Conneticut is theirs... they have so many resources to generate more revenue and they are not taking advantage of it.. when the Yankees move into their new ballpark.. and the Mets have theirs.. I would imagine Red Sox fans would feel a little jealous.. not only of the new ballpark.. but all the things that come along with it.

There's no doubt a big new stadium would generate a lot more revenue in Boston. But their fans don't want a new stadium. They've been slowly renovating that place since John Henry took over. They've already seats, and are adding a few hundred more before next year. They charge the most money in baseball for tickets and their fans may not like the high price, but they're willing to pay it. They make enough money from their TV network to more than make up for the attendance difference. That's a big money maker for them. The only way they'll build a new stadium is if that crumbles.

Boston does things very differently than NY...

They go 86 years between WS victories...

So far they cannot repeat back to back...

They have "Idiots' we have "Legends..."

We have Monument Park...they have....Uh...

We have 26 WS Titles, they can still count theirs on one hand...

Yanks draw 4 million plus...Boston "wants" to do that someday...

They had Ruth, we MADE Babe....

They had Williams, Yaz and uh....er...Oh yeah, Fisk...

We had Ruth, Mantle, Gehrig, Berra, Dimaggio, Maris, Rizzuto, Ford....etc

Our Legends still have their heads...

They have Manny....we have Molina...(So much for what I think of Manny)

They have a glorified DH...we have Jeter...

Yes, they do things differently in Boston...

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Post  RedMagma on Mon Dec 31, 2007 6:51 am

The Going Got Tough, So Jones Got Going

http://www.nytimes.com/2007/12/31/sports/football/31green.html?ref=football

EAST RUTHERFORD, N.J. — Thomas Jones had yardage to gain and a game to win. He was not worried about what would happen to him or the Jets after they played the Kansas City Chiefs on Sunday. He was not thinking about Darren McFadden, either.


McFadden is the flashy running back from Arkansas whom the Jets could pick in the first round of the N.F.L. draft, which is in four months. Jones is much more of a grinder than McFadden, as simple as the untied work boots he pulled on after Sunday’s game.

When Jones was asked last week about the prospect of McFadden joining the Jets, his answers were curt and testy. Jones was not much more expansive even after powering the Jets to a 13-10 overtime victory against the Chiefs.

“The draft is in April,” Jones said. “I’m an eight-year veteran. I’m not concerned with the draft. That’s not my job. My job is play football. Their job is to do what they need to do to make the Jets better. My job is to run the football, be a leader and role model, and lead by example.”

Jones rushed for 98 yards on 25 carries against Kansas City to finish the season with 1,129 yards on 310 carries. The season has been difficult for the Jets, who finished 4-12, and for Jones, who played in the Super Bowl for the Chicago Bears in February.

But in overtime of the season finale, in a game that each team at times seemed unqualified to win, Jones showed why the Jets thought he was worthy of a four-year, $20-million contract.

“Thomas got some really tough yards when we needed some tough yards,” Jets Coach Eric Mangini said.

Jones had 36 yards on five carries in overtime, making two tacklers miss on an 8-yard run for a first down to set up Mike Nugent’s game-winning 43-yard field goal. Two plays earlier, he gained 10 yards for a first down at the Kansas City 24.

“He’s a very hard worker, and he’s just so passionate about the game,” center Nick Mangold said.

Jones was a critical part of the Jets’ game plan Sunday. As Mangini explained afterward, the more effectively Jones ran between the hash marks, the less the Chiefs’ defensive ends could focus on quarterback Kellen Clemens.

Clemens was not exactly magnificent, completing 13 of 25 passes for 115 yards. But Jones provided some extra room for Clemens and for the other running back, Leon Washington, who rushed for 67 yards and completed a 36-yard pass.

“He’s in the mode of a Curtis Martin, the way he approaches the game, the way he works so hard to win,” Washington said of Jones, comparing him to the Jets’ most prolific rusher. “That was good to go out and see us run the ball, especially with the game on the line.”

Jones was also an integral part of the Jets’ only touchdown drive against the Chiefs, a six-play, 56-yard march that ended with Jones hauling in a shovel pass from Clemens and darting 15 yards for a touchdown early in the second quarter.

The Chiefs slowed down Jones in the middle of the game. Tamba Ali, one of the defensive ends the Jets were trying so hard to neutralize, tripped up Jones for a 2-yard loss on a fourth-and-1 play that started at the Chiefs’ 36-yard line early in the third quarter.

Jones carried the ball only three more times before the end of regulation, picking up 7 yards. As rain mixed with snow and the already thin crowd at Giants Stadium thinned even more, he was ready to rumble when overtime began.

The Jets won the toss, and Jones picked up 9 yards on their second play in overtime. Clemens turned a sneak into a first down, then completed a 13-yard pass to Jerricho Cotchery. Jones picked up 8 yards, and Clemens sneaked for another first down.

It seemed as if the Jets were moving downhill. A small crowd gathered in the seats behind the goal post where Nugent would try his winning field goal. A holding penalty negated a successful kick from 33 yards, but Nugent then converted from 43 yards.

The long, dreary season was over, and the Jets might have improved their standing in the N.F.L. draft to the point where McFadden may not even be available, anyway.

“I wouldn’t know that,” Jones said. “I don’t keep up with that.”

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Post  RedMagma on Mon Dec 31, 2007 6:54 am

Star- Ledger
Jets' off-season agenda
Monday, December 31, 2007
FIND A QUARTERBACK

Second-year pro Kellen Clemens looks like the guy by default right now. The Jets spent a second-round pick on him and will give him every opportunity to succeed. He was a bit underwhelming this season but he has shown potential, and the Jets love his intangibles. If the Jets improve the offensive line, Clemens is good enough to win in this league.

With veteran Chad Pennington almost certain to leave, the Jets will trade for or sign a veteran to compete with Clemens in training camp. They might be able to get a second- or third-round pick for Pennington. Don't be surprised if the Jets spend a mid-round pick on a quarterback, hoping to strike gold.

FIX THE OFFENSIVE LINE

Look for the Jets to draft an offensive lineman in the first three rounds of the April draft. They must solidify the unit if they hope to do anything. Veteran RT Anthony Clement and LG Adrien Clarke likely will be gone. Clarke, a third-year pro, was a huge disappointment as a replacement for Pete Kendall.

C Nick Mangold, RG Brandon Moore and LT D'Brickashaw Ferguson are keepers and are expected to return as starters. Michigan LT Jake Long is the best offensive lineman in the draft, but the Jets have Ferguson and you don't draft Long that high and move him to right tackle because right tackles aren't paid like left tackles.

SHORE UP THE DEFENSE

University of Virginia DE Chris Long, the son of Hall of Famer Howie Long, is high on the Jets' wish list and there's a good chance he'll be on the board when the Jets are on the clock. The Jets must get a big-time pass rusher along the defensive line and Chris Long could be their guy. An added bonus is that he played in the 3-4 scheme in college.

Also, the Jets need a playmaking linebacker. Ravens unrestricted free-agent Terrell Suggs could be their guy if Baltimore doesn't slap him with the franchise tag. Cornerback remains an unsettled position and the Jets need someone to pair with sensational rookie Darrelle Revis.

-- DAVE HUTCHINSON

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Post  RedMagma on Mon Dec 31, 2007 6:56 am

Star- Ledger
Jets' off-season agenda
Monday, December 31, 2007
FIND A QUARTERBACK

Second-year pro Kellen Clemens looks like the guy by default right now. The Jets spent a second-round pick on him and will give him every opportunity to succeed. He was a bit underwhelming this season but he has shown potential, and the Jets love his intangibles. If the Jets improve the offensive line, Clemens is good enough to win in this league.

With veteran Chad Pennington almost certain to leave, the Jets will trade for or sign a veteran to compete with Clemens in training camp. They might be able to get a second- or third-round pick for Pennington. Don't be surprised if the Jets spend a mid-round pick on a quarterback, hoping to strike gold.

FIX THE OFFENSIVE LINE

Look for the Jets to draft an offensive lineman in the first three rounds of the April draft. They must solidify the unit if they hope to do anything. Veteran RT Anthony Clement and LG Adrien Clarke likely will be gone. Clarke, a third-year pro, was a huge disappointment as a replacement for Pete Kendall.

C Nick Mangold, RG Brandon Moore and LT D'Brickashaw Ferguson are keepers and are expected to return as starters. Michigan LT Jake Long is the best offensive lineman in the draft, but the Jets have Ferguson and you don't draft Long that high and move him to right tackle because right tackles aren't paid like left tackles.

SHORE UP THE DEFENSE

University of Virginia DE Chris Long, the son of Hall of Famer Howie Long, is high on the Jets' wish list and there's a good chance he'll be on the board when the Jets are on the clock. The Jets must get a big-time pass rusher along the defensive line and Chris Long could be their guy. An added bonus is that he played in the 3-4 scheme in college.

Also, the Jets need a playmaking linebacker. Ravens unrestricted free-agent Terrell Suggs could be their guy if Baltimore doesn't slap him with the franchise tag. Cornerback remains an unsettled position and the Jets need someone to pair with sensational rookie Darrelle Revis.

-- DAVE HUTCHINSON




Star- Ledger
Victory does little for QB
Monday, December 31, 2007
BY DAVE HUTCHINSON
Star-Ledger Staff
Of all the numbingly disconcerting numbers Jets quarterback Kellen Clemens has put up this season, this stat tops them all: The second-year pro has led the Jets to just nine touchdowns in his 87 drives as a starter this season.

Even after a season-ending 13-10 victory against the Kansas City Chiefs yesterday, the Jets are no closer to having their long-term quarterback situation resolved than they were when Clemens took over for Chad Pennington midway through the season.


To be fair, Clemens has suffered through growing pains in his first action as a starter this season and his offensive line has struggled. And yesterday, he had to play in a cold, wintry mix before a three-quarters empty Giants Stadium.

Any decision about whether Clemens will be the Jets' starter in 2008 probably will have to be based more on his potential than what he showed in an underwhelming eighth career start, during which he completed 13 of 25 passes for 115 yards, one touchdown and no interceptions.

"We'll have to look at all the different games together and view it as a whole body of work," Jets coach Eric Mangini said. "That's what we'll do."

The Jets (4-12) won on a 43-yard field goal by Mike Nugent with 9:47 left in the extra session, but much of that was set up on the strength of 39 rushing yards. Nugent's first crack at the game-winner -- a 33-yarder -- was waved off on a holding penalty by guard Wade Smith, and Nugent endured two separate time outs to ice him, one before each kick.

With a disappointing season now behind them, the Jets' attention is fixed on the future. They are in a three-way tie for the fourth pick overall in the NFL Draft with the Raiders and Chiefs. The Dolphins (1-15) have the rights to the first overall pick, followed by the Rams (3-13) and the Falcons (4-12). Unofficially, the Jets will almost certainly pick no higher than fifth overall because of their strength of schedule.

The Chiefs (4-12), under former Jets coach Herm Edwards, suffered their ninth consecutive loss -- tying a franchise record. They gained just 219 yards total offense.

"It's kind of fitting to go overtime," Edwards said. "It's two teams both having disappointing seasons."

As the Jets look to retool, they're more than $27 million under the salary cap and are expected to be active in free agency. Ravens linebacker Terrell Suggs and Patriots cornerback Asante Samuels are believed to be on their wish list.
Moreover, veterans Pennington and Jonathan Vilma aren't expected back. Each could land the Jets multiple draft picks if dealt.

Pennington's likely departure -- he said earlier in the season he felt he could still start in the NFL and privately has said he will look for a job elsewhere -- magnifies Clemens' struggles. The Jets were hoping for a big day from Clemens to ease their concerns, but it didn't happen. Again, Clemens was jittery in the pocket, rushing throws or giving up on routes too early and pulling the ball down and running. He ran eight times for 18 yards and was sacked three times.

Clemens couldn't get untracked even though the Jets racked up a season-high 199 yards rushing, including 98 yards on 25 carries by Thomas Jones. Leon Washington added 67 yards on 11 attempts. He also completed a pass to Wallace Wright on a direct snap for 36 yards. The Jets were just 3-for-16 on third-down conversions.

Overall, Clemens, who was 3-5 as a starter, threw five touchdowns and 10 interceptions, two returned for touchdowns. His passer rating (60.9) and completion percentage (52.0) are the second-worst in the NFL among quarterbacks averaging at least 14 passes per game. The 49ers' Trent Dilfer was the worst in both categories.

"I think the best thing (he learned) is the margin of error is so small," Clemens said. "A lot of games we were in it and one mistake can cost you. I'll go back and look at every game and write everything down. I definitely think there has been progress in some areas where I need to improve.

"But there's plenty of work to be done. We'll look at things and get back to work."

Against the Chiefs, the Jets had to resort to trickery to score their first touchdown as they dialed up a direct snap to Washington, who hit a wide-open Wright for 36 yards. Three plays later, the Jets scored when Clemens hit Jones on a shovel pass for a 15-yard touchdown and a 7-0 lead early in the second quarter.

With the Jets leading 7-3, Clemens had perhaps his worse play of the game. On a second-and-eight from the Chiefs' 9-yard line, he scrambled out of the pocket to his left and threw the ball out of the end zone. Fans showered him with boos and offensive coordinator Brian Schottenheimer screamed at him on the sidelines. Schottenheimer isn't available to the media after games.

The Jets settled for a 27-yard field goal by Nugent to lead 10-3 at the half.

Kansas City tied the game on a 26-yard touchdown pass from quarterback Brodie Croyle to wide receiver Jeff Webb over cornerback Hank Poteat with 2:59 left in regulation to force the overtime.



Dave Hutchinson may be reached

at dhutchinson@starledger.com

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Post  RedMagma on Mon Dec 31, 2007 7:00 am

2nd pick vs. 6th pick - 1996 to 2007


#2 Pick:
2007 - Calvin Johnson
2006 - Reggie Bush
2005 - Ronnie Brown
2004 - Robert Gallery
2003 - Charles Rogers
2002 - Julius Peppers
2001 - Leonard Davis
2000 - Lavarr Arrington
1999 - Donovan McNabb
1998 - Ryan Leaf
1997 - Darrell Russell
1996 - Kevin Hardy

#6 Pick:
2007 - LaRon Landry
2006 - Vernon Davis
2005 - Pacman Jones
2004 - Kellen Winslow Jr
2003 - Jonathan Sullivan
2002 - Ryan Sims
2001 - Richard Seymour
2000 - Corey Simon
1999 - Torry Holt
1998 - Grant Winstrom
1997 - Walter Jones
1996 - Lawrence Phillips

I think I like the #6 pick list much better. I mean don't get me wrong, this post is totally meaningless, and you never prefer #6 to #2, but just looking at success over history, I don't think we lose out much.

2 stars in the 1st list, McNabb and Peppers. 3 stars in the 2nd list, Seymour, Holt, and Walter Jones


The 6th spot is going to be a nice spot for the Jets.

They have so many holes right now that they can probably go out right now and use that pick and get a big offensive lineman like Long, or they could even possibly trade down to get an extra pick if someone get the hots for Matt Ryan.

The Jets have weapons in guys like Jones, Washington, Coles, Cotchery and Baker. They still though need a deep threat at WR and they need to completely rebuild the OL around Mangold and Ferguson.

On Defense they could go and get a pass rusher to finally replace Abraham. Something this team has sorely missed since he left two years ago. They still need some to get quicker on the outside with the Linebackers. And depending on the status of guys like Justin Miller and Andre Dyson they could be looking for a CB.

Alot of needs for the Jets this off season. I think alot will depend on how they do in free agency. If they can bring in a Stacey Andrews from the Bengals or even a Jordan Gross from Carolina that would go a long way in improving that OL.

I would probably also go and place a call to the Bengals about the availablity of Chad Johnson. If he is wearing out his welcome then I would make a play for him as well

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Post  RedMagma on Mon Dec 31, 2007 7:08 am

htp://www.solecismic.com/frontierblog/?p=192

The 2008 NFL Amateur Draft order:

If Tennessee beats Indianapolis tonight:

1. Miami 1-15, 138 opponent wins
2. St. Louis 3-13, 131
3 (tie). Kansas City 4-12, 132, 3-9 AFC
3 (tie). Oakland 4-12, 132, 4-8 AFC
3 (tie). Atlanta 4-12, 132
6. New York Jets 4-12, 134
7. San Francisco (held by New England) 5-11, 119
8. Baltimore 5-11, 132
9. Cincinnati 7-9, 118
10. New Orleans 7-9, 123
11 (tie). Buffalo 7-9, 132
11 (tie). Denver 7-9, 132
13. Carolina 7-9, 134
14. Chicago 7-9, 139, 2-4 NFC North
15. Detroit 7-9, 139, 3-3 NFC North
16. Arizona 8-8, 111
17. Minnesota 8-8, 129
18. Houston 8-8, 132
19. Philadelphia 8-8, 144
20. Tampa Bay 9-7, 120
21. Washington 9-7, 142
22. Cleveland 10-6, 110, no playoffs (pick held by Dallas)
23. Seattle 10-6, 106
24. Pittsburgh 10-6, 116
25. Tennessee 10-6, 128
26. New York Giants 10-6, 132
27. San Diego 11-5, 128
28. Jacksonville 11-5, 132
29. Green Bay 13-3, 120
30. Dallas 13-3, 127
31. Indianapolis 13-3, 132 (pick held by San Francisco)
32. New England 16-0, 120 (no pick).




#7 pick Pats behind The Jets

Imagine If The Jets pass on drafting Darren Mcfadden , then Pats draft him?


for all mcfadden lovers like myself, There's possibility Jets still get him

miami - ronnie brown was a pro bowler until he got injured

rams - stephen jackson

atlanta - they need a QB more than a RB

oakland - they have fargas, and they might be more concerned about proteting russell, or taking gholston (al davis loves freaks of nature)

kansas city - they have larry johnson, should be more concerned with QB and Oline.

Mcfadden being available certainly could happen.




The 6th spot is going to be a nice spot for the Jets.

They have so many holes right now that they can probably go out right now and use that pick and get a big offensive lineman like Long, or they could even possibly trade down to get an extra pick if someone get the hots for Matt Ryan.

The Jets have weapons in guys like Jones, Washington, Coles, Cotchery and Baker. They still though need a deep threat at WR and they need to completely rebuild the OL around Mangold and Ferguson.

On Defense they could go and get a pass rusher to finally replace Abraham. Something this team has sorely missed since he left two years ago. They still need some to get quicker on the outside with the Linebackers. And depending on the status of guys like Justin Miller and Andre Dyson they could be looking for a CB.

Alot of needs for the Jets this off season. I think alot will depend on how they do in free agency. If they can bring in a Stacey Andrews from the Bengals or even a Jordan Gross from Carolina that would go a long way in improving that OL.

I would probably also go and place a call to the Bengals about the availablity of Chad Johnson. If he is wearing out his welcome then I would make a play for him as well

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Post  RedMagma on Mon Dec 31, 2007 7:20 am

Pats Fans says

E5 Yaz

Odd how life works out. The jets have the pick directly before the Patriots.


Beomoose

They'd benefit even more than the Pats from trading their pick, or at least that's what I tell myself when I have visions of McFadden wearing a Jets cap *shudder










Did you expect it to go down ??

You can always drive north and buy season tickets to see bloody tampon sock pitch.
red sox raised ticket prices 9% this year i believe

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Post  RedMagma on Mon Dec 31, 2007 8:11 am

Besides that, they're sick of losing, had to do it.?

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Post  RedMagma on Mon Dec 31, 2007 8:25 am

Everyone thinks Johan had a "bad year", this is not true. His stuff would also translate in any park because he is a high strike out pitcher. The Yankees are heavy left handed lineup, so I wouldn't be too worried about him (mixed with the fact Jorge and A-Rod will regress from last year).

Johan in 2007 had a line of REC 15-13 | SV 0 | ERA 3.33 | WHIP 1.07 | SO 235

To compare, Josh Beckett had a line of REC 20-7 | SV 0 | ERA 3.27 | WHIP 1.14 | SO 194

CC Sabathia REC 19-7 | SV 0 | ERA 3.21 | WHIP 1.14 | SO 209

His ERA wasn't that much higher than either pitcher and his WHIP and SO numbers were much better. Add to the fact that Johan allowed an MLB worst 33 HR. The last 5 years he's allowed 17, 24, 22, 24, and 33 so this number is obviously a fluke. Johan's ERA sky rocketed in September when he had an ERA of 4.94. This was because Johan had a blister(?) and the Twins didn't want him to risk injury so they prevented him from mixing in his slider. In 24.0 IP against Boston, he has an ERA of 2.63 and and ERA of 2.66 in 20.1 IP against NYY. Just for fun since 2002 his ERA has looked like:
2.99
3.07
2.61
2.88
2.77
3.33

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